Do you GDKP guys ever get tired of trying, and failing miserably to split hairs?
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Since I’m not a GDKP guy, I can’t really answer that question.
I’m in favor of banning GDKP. The reason I think it’s important to focus on the primary and original reason given for the ban (i.e. that it erodes guild and social structures) is because that is much more clear and obvious than what affect the ban will have on RMT.
The GDKPers have embraced the narrative that this is all about RMT because they can come up with a bunch of arguments why they think it will have the opposite effect on that issue.
I think we need to keep pointing them back to the more simple and undeniable justification that SOD is partially intended to be about returning to the kind of guild and community structures that dominated the game back in Vanilla and transactional relationships like GDKP undermine that.
If they want to play a version of the game where they don’t need a guild or group of friends to play with, they have multiple options for that experience. SOD doesn’t have to also cater to them.
Swipers still mad.
KEKW
Mad swipers.
there was no removal of one of the biggest sources of gold generation for law abiding players, only removal of a system perpetuated by rmt that ignorant players, who turned a blind eye to rmt and bots, feigned that they were “innocent”
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Do you think when I sell Gnomer crafting mats that you need 2 dozen of for 18g a pop, totaling around 400g of mats to craft 1 item, that that gold isn’t RMT’d?
Anything that costs gold promotes RMT. And this is a much larger gold sink than buying gear in BFD.
Cooked take.
It could say a lot of things, but openly admitting to a ToS change because you’re laying off heaps of Customer Support employees and don’t want to deal with mass report appeals is certainly not something a publicly traded company would want to admit
It’s entirely different because no one is mass reporting you for putting salvage/gniodine on the AH
Makes sense. If someone has only been getting gold this one way and does not have the connections to trade or just never learned the slower ways to farm gold I can see this.
My brain goes for the addiction comparison but I think that’s probably extreme.
Would mean a lot more people are going to catch bans for RMT and that trading across versions with unvetted people is probably riskier for people just now trying it. Either way they will probably pop a few buyers and sellers.
people really arguing that its not possible to make gold grinding in sm just so they have a reason to buy gold 
Why not just play the game for fun?
Talk about cooked take.
This is like saying that if someone commits a crime, everyone in that state is a suspect.
It’s be a dumb argument to say that RMT doesn’t occur via the AH. It would also be a dumb argument to even attempt moral equivalence between the AH and GDKP in terms of RMT.
It’d also be a dumb argument to say that RMT is what made GDKP so popular. ie- the vast, overwhelming majority of people engaging in either gleefully accept illicit gold for gear, or people are using illicit gold to buy the gear.
It’s not though. I know with a high degree of certainty that swipers bought the BoE I sold for 300g. And swipers bought the crafting mats I sold for 18g a pop.
If you have trouble discerning the difference between expensive crafting mats at the beginning of a phase going for 18g and level 25 BoP items being sold for hundreds of gold, well.
Okay then.
RMT is surely facilitated within the AH. I won’t make an argument otherwise, nor will any person arguing in good faith (not that it really matters because GDKP enjoyers are largely cheaters and aren’t worth arguing with in good faith to begin with)-but the idea that one is even remotely in the same category of severity in terms of illicit gold exchange as the other is absurd.
The lack of any run on gold prices for Classic WoW, despite the mount/trinket gold sinks and folks already raid-logging Gnomer, is evidence enough the pro-GDKPers argument about RMT is misguided, at best, and utterly baseless at worst.
SoJ isnt even bis tho right? Why waste “2k” on it lol
I agree that their argument is wrong, but it’s at least plausible. There is no plausible argument that it’s good for guild and social structures.
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Agree, I don’t think there’s a very good argument on either side.
None of us have the data Blizzard has. They called the effect “undeniable,” which is about as strong a word as they could use.
I could see an argument for emergent behavior being supported in a more general sense, but Blizzard’s job isn’t to support all emergent behavior. Only the ones consistent with the community and experience they want to foster, as you say.
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I leveled my mage up right at the end of P1, so it’s pretty badly geared compared to the BFD geared players and SoJ would be a huge upgrade until I could get better.
But honestly, your question is irrelevant and a deflection. Whatever someone’s reasons are for wanting an item, any item, that costs thousands of gold, the 80g from leveling and quest gold isn’t gonna get you there.
You can literally keep running BFD even at 40, and/or get the staff from SM Library.
Dented + skill issue + mad at nothing.
You know how many people was Pendulum of doom? Omg its a super rare item, so its gonna be expensive. Maybe an econ class would help you idk.
Everyone is swiping away!
The 5k POD off the AH hasn’t been up again.
The 1500g Gut ripper is next prolly!
I love it.
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