That’s the same multiplier that’s up on live servers. It’s pretty useless. And there’s no Blizzard word on the topic yet, its purely WoWhead misguiding.
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Which goalpost was moved?
Legacy debuff has always been 2 expansions.
This excuse Blizzard totes out is bullcrap, and I didn’t accept it when they first said it and I still don’t accept it. They only started saying this back in BFA, as you USED to be able to solo the last expansions raid content until they started doing the level squishes but doing them improperly.
Shouldn’t BFA be the content getting the level 70 legacyu buff?
We could already easily solo Mythic Legion content in shadowlands
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microsoft isn’t going to do anything they are a very hands off company when it comes to managing their developers. as long as it makes them money they are content to leave things be. they have much the same approach with their age of empires game.
It will be until a WoW expac flops. People can only take so much before they leave for good. And im sure Microsoft is smarter than letting bad management to stay in the game and cause it to bomb and upset customers.
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except ion is a dev. he isn’t a executive. and they are going to look at the whole picture not just wow. plus transmog is a subset of the entire wow community. even if every last transmog person left wow would still be left with a healthy population. so at the end of the day ion can keep on doing what he wants and it won’t matter because numerically the transmog community isn’t a significant enough population to matter to the bigger picture.
Doesn’t excuse the fact Ion blatantly lied instead of being open with the community. Plus, Ion upset not only the transmog community, but the Lore fans(Granted, Danuser is equally to blame for that as well), anyone who loves to play WoW but despise garbage mechanics implemented for no good reason (Systems, extremely frustrating WQs and questing, raid fights like Painsmith, etc), anyone who sticks around after 2-3 months who decide to do older content only to realize its borked, seemly on purpose, and even PVPers. In short, he basically upset nearly everyone lol.
Player activity in Shadowlands is low, and you dont need stats to see that. No server queues on peak hours, and the premade finder is pretty dead even on peak hours, you dont find many people at all compared to Legion and BFA, where you could really find more people on premade finder and content in general. Hell, i’ve struggled to find Castle Nathria premades and both dungeon and LFR queues are even longer than any other expac as well. DF will have a massive uphill battle to not bomb right away, especially given the track record of Shadowlands and BFA. People hated BFA, and had really high hopes for SL, only to be let down once the flaws of the expac became obvious. A massive amount of players left on SL to join FF XIV, which is best exemplified when Square Enix temporarly removed the game from sale because of the massive player infusion and large server queues. Or the fact a huge amount of content creators as well as players quit in protest of how poorly managed SL was. It’s not even debateable when you remember SL had as many raids as WoD and in 2 years it released half the amount of content BFA and Legion did, and had massive content droughts between patches.
I can tell you this: unless Ion reverts what he is doing, his days are very well numbered. Same for Danuser. They are not going to just keep doing what they do if it results in upsetting most of your playerbase and thus, customers. Microsoft is only hands-off as long as the game is doing well.
I legit do not believe that Microsoft will keep them if they screw over the game and its players on purpose, especially as it will lead to losses and a tarnished brand.
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Legion is now THREE expansions ago.
BfA is TWO.
Math ≠ Hard.
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And as of Dragonflight, Legion is… 3 expansions ago. It was 2 expansions back in Shadowlands.
Legion → BFA (1 expansion) → Shadowlands (2 expansions) → Dragonflight (3 expansions).
That means even following these “rules” that only came about because Blizzard screwed up scaling, we should have the full Legion legacy buff at level 60 (2 expansions) and the full BFA legacy buff at 70 (2 expansions).
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Well the good news is there is no level squish or ilevel squish at all in DF so at least that shouldn’t make things even worse I hope.
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ok… my mistake.
(running on zero sleep)
…but why wait until NOW to take issue with it?
Isn’t Legion stuff already a walk in the park?
Has it been stated that the debuff will only apply to max level (70) players, or will it apply to lower level farming alts?
the power jump in between expansions was extreme.
it needed to be reeled in at some point, and it was obviously going to happen again.
this same complaint happens with every pre-patch.
…then people get to level cap, and discover that they were freaking out about nothing.
wrong, people are still mad about this. Blizzard just dug in their heels and refuse to fix it because they see people doing older content for transmog as a “retention mechanic”. Also this is a relatively new stance Blizzard has when it comes to farming old content as this “2 year expansion” thing only started back in after the level squish back at the end of BFA, as right before the shadowlands patch in BFA you could solo Legion content and then after the squish you couldn’t until you got to max level and got geared.
The power jump between expansions still exists,only difference with the level squish is it’s resetting it a bit, but we’re already seeing huge gaps in stats. So this is more akin to people not being able to solo Vanilla raids back when TBC first came out, but once stats start getting insane again which they already are starting to do AGAIN, yes we’ll see people easily farm last expansion content anyway. Unless they do ANOTHER level squish for the next expansion
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That wouldn’t be so bad if they made dungeon/raid finder automatically scale and find dungeons and raids from any xpac while you’re any level instead of having to manually make and search one in legacy finder. It would be more like FF14’s duty finder where once you hit level to enter said instances they would unlock and you can queue for them whenever, it finds you a group, and they scale. Problem with this is blizz wouldn’t be smart enough to add the no sync option for people who want to still solo.
Not true at all. SL pre-patch we had a harder time solo what we could already. In other words, Ion blatantly lied. And after expac released we noticed we couldn’t solo legion stuff despite being 2 expacs old, and being able to solo it before. It’s not about “extreme power jump”.
And it didn’t end either with how screwed the stat squish was, as despite the fact even in Burning Crusade we were capable of soloing with many classes vanilla dungeons (with the exception of 10 man mega dungeons like blackrock spire), we couldn’t solo BFA M0 dungeons at all, not until many patches later. They really dropped the ball HARD.
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Yes. It absolutely should!
No one was waiting until now… This has been a continuing discussion across multiple threads and across multiple years, even if you were unaware of it.
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No it hasn’t.
Hellfire Citadel was made soloable during BFA including a legacy buff. I literally linked the wowhead article about it.
Galakras was also made soloable during Legion.
The rule has ALWAYS been one expansion in between, not two.
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umm… you tell me it’s not true, and then agree with what i said? lol ok.
i haven’t seen it.
…but i’ve been away for about 8 months.
previously, i spent more time in the forum than in the game, so I’m shocked I haven’t seen any mention of it.
just headed to google, it shows me lots of stuff from reddit and icyveins and wowhead and mmo champ. the last post i could find here was a year ago.
whose rule?
the original “rule” was 11 levels above the content
Speaking of scaling in older instances…
Chromie Time Legion dungeon was one-shotting people. I don’t remember lowbie Vault of the Wardens ever one-shotting anyone or the meteor taking two thirds of our health when the entire party is grouped on it.
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Sorry OP, Blizzard is a small indie company…they are doing their best it is not their fault and they were not aware /s
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And how many levels were between expansions?
I’ll give you a hint. It’s enough that it was one expansion between.
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