before its too late.
How to do it:
Do these things and you will see guilds forming, people making friends, better world pvp, general interaction and renewed interest in the game.
- Condense all the Oceanic servers into the two largest- Frostmourne & Barthilas.
The further we are from you, the better we like it.
Here is what I recommend, the game is what you make of it. Want to make friends then start talking to people and adding people and getting on discord. World pvp has never been a thing, literally never ever. I think the best world pvp i ever heard of was getting a raid of 40 to travel from barrens to run around crossroads in the barrens and that was just for the lols.
This is the first expansion since tbc where I am actually in a good guild, with community and a bunch of people on most nights I can have a laugh with. It only takes a few people that you can laugh with to make the whole game that much better. I found this by taking the initiative, asking what players we needed to recruit, organising m+ constantly, even when nobody signed up. Within weeks we had more members, people interested in M+, people enjoying each others company on discord.
Long story short if you want a better game then make it better through your own actions, blizzard isn’t going to magically make people talk to you.
Hell come and join our guild i’m on everyday looking to do new content, challenging content, gold making, mount collecting, old world achieves. Admittedly i end up doing everything but new content myself but your welcome to join
Also here to throw my vote in the ‘Yeah, let’s not!’ pile.
Nagrand is almost too busy for me. I wouldn’t want to be on Barth or Frosty… Nevermind both.
@Llammy
you do realise that you are already on a connected realm- Nagrand is connected with Caelestrasz
source https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/11393305
and that all zones are sharded with other (mostly oceanic) realms as well
the issue here is that you can’t guild with anyone outside of Nagrand-Caelestrasz.
sharding also makes it so that you’ll be constantly shuffled between different shards, disrupting interaction with players
@Niccalips
ok a couple of things-
Firstly, I have been extensively involved in guilds and social activity for as long as you, and with more success it would seem.
World PvP has been my primary game mode for more than 1 expansion. So please don’t dismiss things you haven’t ever had any involvement in.
My main issue is that guilds and realm communities have been deeply neglected, and while we may have things like lists of btag friends and “busy” shards, there is no social community there.
Guilds need to be cross-realm.
Shards need to be more stable and realm-based.
The Communities feature needs to be heavily improved and integrated, even to supersede the guild feature in order for it to work.
I’m well aware that I’m on a connected realm. I’m also aware of the shamozzle that is sharding and how damaging it can be to the community feel of the game. But I do know, where possible, you are placed on a same or similar shard to where you belong. I see a lot of the other PvE realms floating around while questing, but I also see a fair amount of my own realms too. I see some of the old PvP realms but not enough to indicate they naturally move in to the same shard as me.
You talk about WPvP and want to make changes that will effect everyone, especially those who want nout to do with such. From memory you ran When Bored Smash Horde on Barth, but have since moved to Frosty - a move that admittedly confuses me, as I’m not really sure what you rectified here.
But if we’re talking about community and experience - I’ve run the some social guild for eight years and over two different servers. It’s a lot of work and it’s largely thankless. But it can be done - it just takes a lot of dedication.
The fault does not lay solely at the feet of Blizzard and their sharding tech because massive communities existed and still exist. There’s changes to be made, sure - but definitely not by merging the two biggest Oceanic servers or some of the biggest (3rd and 11th) servers in the game.
Blizzard have made it incredibly easy to have nout to do with WPvP, and that is by disabling War Mode.
I moved to Frostmourne because there is no way to recruit new members on Barthilas. I can’t recruit cross-realm, I can’t communicate cross-realm.
It doesn’t matter how much effort or time I put in, I can’t ask people to pay $30 to transfer to an alliance-dead realm, that’s unfair.
I have many friends on other realms, but there is no platform to communicate. The new communities feature is bad and doesn’t work well, most people don’t use it.
All the group activities I participate in are made up of cross-realm groups.
I can’t casually socialise with people because of sharding and no guilds.
The problems do lie solely at the feet of Blizzard because they have changed all the gameplay to be now cross-realm, but you can’t socialise cross-realm.
Do what you want but at least leave Saurfang and Aman’Thul alone. I already left Dath’Remar after they lumped Khaz’goroth on us.
care to explain why having a more active realm faction community would make it worse?
it reminds me of the people complaining about sharding their dead-as-dodo realms because it affected their herb gathering
Let’s flip that on it’s head and instead ask why you think that increasing the population of the world’s third biggest realm (population wise) would suddenly fix the problems you are suffering?
You also don’t seem to understand that not everyone wants to be on a realm that is so big to begin with anyway, nevermind one that is even bigger. There are plenty of people who intentionally choose realms that aren’t Frostmourne or Barthilas and if that is the case, they wouldn’t help solve your problem anyway.
If you can’t give me one argument that supports why anyone would want to play on dead realms, we don’t have anything further to discuss.
Again, realms with lots of people mean a better economy, busier chat channels, more guilds, bigger guilds, better world pvp.
If you play with someone that you meet in the world, you can guild with them, you also should be able to see them hanging out in the world by making sharding more stable.
Another example.
In Cataclysm, the realm PvP community would all hang around in Tol Barad Peninsula. It was a great area to chat to people in /say, duel, recruit for guilds etc.
You would even get into small turf wars with the opposite faction, it was a way of hostile socialising, where you’d know who your enemies were, who the good players were, and who to fear.
Some people would just hang out in TBP all night because it was such a fun area.
No one wants to be on Frostmourne you mean ![:rofl:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
Why people want to play on dead realms?
Because not everyone says they’re dead realms. It’s very typical of the sort of person who plays on Frostmourne or Barthilas to assume that the lower population realms are dead and therefore the choice of the players who belong to those realms should be made for them and just moved along. But prior to two years ago I played Alliance on horde heavy Gundrak & Jubei’Thos. We were outnumbered five to one and this was before warmode was an option. Forget summoning in the world using raid stones, you were camped within an inch of your life. It was very hard to recruit on to the server. But it was doable with some time and effort and also being open with potential recruits - if they were already on the fence about PvP realms then they certainly weren’t going to enjoy it with us. I’d still go back in a heartbeat, though. You end up knowing all the other guilds on the server, you develop working relationships with most of them. The community is strong on smaller realms and you can effectively get blacklisted by your server if you’re enough of a jerk.
The long and the short of it is… I get that you have decided that to fix your current recruitment and world PvP woes, you want to create what would likely be the biggest server in NA WoW. But it’s not even remotely viable, nor would it fix the problems you are having.
Ask for a PvP hub again. TB was great. Working together with people to own it was great.
Not sure why you keep referring to other realms as dead Creeks. But as pointed out your probably just use to playing on high population just like some of us are use to playing on medium/low. All the Oceanic servers are all active in my opinion. Just some more then others.
What Akish said. The realms aren’t dead, some people prefer quieter realms for the simple fact that they can be LEFT alone. Some people like it because the community feel is actually greater on a lower population realm. I’ve been to frostmourne, all I have to say is, no thank you. I’ll stick with Nagrand/Cael.
I’ve participated in WPVP, and needless to say, the group finder is enough to whet my appetite. You say there is no way to interact with friends on other servers? That’s funny, pretty sure I have an extensive friends list and the ability to invite people to groups, to do things together? A large server, like the one you’re suggesting, does nothing but kill economies (flooded auction houses) and reduce the community feel by adding more and more people, which also increases the likelihood of running into undesirables.
I don’t see anything within the oceanic community that requires “Saving”. Comparing Tol Barad to the current state of World PVP is a little bit a of a stretch too. It was an instanced zone. People wanted to be there, so they went. WorldPVP currently is across the entire two new zones, there is no central hub for it. Lumping the servers together are not going to achieve this.
For people that are okay with pick up groups and so on low pop realms are fine. And should remain. However, trying to recruit for guild to raid on realms like jubei is near impossible.
Our guild moved to Barth for that exact reason.
So I understand both points of view. However, I am assuming one of you is more casual with end game group content, and the other maybe sees the progression as more important.
I for one feel a few of those realms should be consolidated, as doing mythic raiding is hard with less to choose from. Whilst, people who want the more casual, non toxic game should be afforded the opportunity of staying. A better solution to consolidation might be the offer of free transfers off low pop realms to high pop ones. This way everyone is happy
Any other server than Frostmourne.
The dead realms are only becoming more dead- there is only one direction people transfer, and that is towards more active realms for their faction.
All Oceanic Alliance are slowly moving to Frostmourne, and all Oceanic Horde to Barthilas.
This has been happening over the last 8 or so years albeit very, very slowly.
There is no incentive to play on dead realms, none.
I’m not happy or pleased about this, it’s a really crappy situation that Blizz has taken no action on, and seems pretty content to sit and wattch the transfer dollars rolling in.
FYI I have played on Barthilas since TBC. It used to have a healthy Alliance population, but the Horde pop. overtook, and everyone started slowly transferring to Horde, or if they wanted to stay Alliance, towards Frostmourne.
I very recently transferred to Frostmourne which is very busy. I have recognised a heap of Barthilas players who transferred here before me- they felt that they had to.
Barthilas Alliance now probably has about 2 or 3 small, active guilds. They can’t grow, only shrink.
I’m not going to argue with you Creeks. Like I said I’ve been on medium/low servers for 10 years and they are not dead in my opinion…
All Oceanic Alliance are slowly moving to Frostmourne
Not in my lifetime.
There is no incentive to play on dead realms, none.
Yes there is.
Not being anywhere near the toxic, foul mouthed server pop on Frostmourne.