Saurfang/sylvanas choice

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Got a similar response from a GM on my ticket.
It is ridiculous that they say that they cant revert because their is a prompt when there is not. There is only a prompt if choosing Sylvanas. This is a huge oversight during the development of the questline. But not surprising as this is the direction Activision has been going as of late.

I deleted the name of the GM for privacy

Howdy,

This one is a bit wonky as once an option is chosen in the quest chain, and the big pop up window which confirms the choice is approved it is locked in. We are unable to reset the quest chain.

This is partly why the choice has an extra approval prompt to pop up and confirm the choice since it gets locked in. However that said, if you want to experience the other side, you can simply go through it with a different horde character and choose the other option.

I hope this clears things up and I wish you the best.

Side note: Saurfang is the right and proper choice and I will PvP you to prove my point. (Just trying to lighten the mood a bit since I know this is sorta a tough situation).

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It was all over fan sites saying that you would have to make a choice and there was no going back from that choice. There were articles and videos from YouTube streamers about the choice. So if you didn’t catch it, that’s on you not Blizzard. fyi, your warchief thinks you’re all expendable…

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Picking the dialog option to stay loyal to the warchief gives you the pop up box asking are you sure you want to do this and miss out on the cloak toy, picking the Grim Tidings quest option to help saurfang does not give any such warning, at least I didnt see anything that suggested I would be locked out of the other option if I picked it up.

I commend them for giving us the choice, but the way they set it up is kinda wonky, it’s easy to miss, and both options should have a pop up box or something to let you know you cant pick the other choice once you select one of the options.

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tru dat. please fix this, blizzard!

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Warning box is only if you actually DO click the dialogue box to stick with Sylvanas. There is no such warning box when you accept zaptard boys quest. There SHOULD have been one saying “once you continue with this quest you will be denouncing your warchief, are you SURE you want to do this” or something similar. Bunch of bollocks this is.

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I’ve discussed this with two different GMs and apparently, it’s not possible to undo the selection. I don’t believe that it’s not possible. I believe the devs simply won’t allow it.

I suppose their hands are tied.

GM1

"Hey there Rechab,

I’m Game Master [redacted]. I hope this message finds you well.

During the questline The Fate of Saurfang, you will be offered a choice to side with Sylvanas or Saurfang by the NPC Zekhan. Depending on your choice, an additional dialogue box will alert you to the consequences of your choices.

Customer Support is not able to assist if you change your mind or make a mistake when choosing your options. If you do this quest chain on a different character, however, you can make the other choice for that character.

**In short if you choose the “I will not betray my Warchief, troll.” option, your character will not be able to get the Worn Cloak toy. There is a dialogue box that confirms that. The warning only appears when you are choosing the dialogue option. When you choose to pursue the quest choice, there is no warning window of any kind. **

If you progressed past the point of picking a side, you have to remain on the chain that you picked and do not have an option to switch. I do apologize. But I hope this information helps!

If you still need to contact us, please feel free to do so! We want to make sure that we have covered all of your questions thoroughly so if there is something that was missed, you can click the Need More Help button, and we will be notified. Please let us know any details about how we can further assist you with this issue. Otherwise, you can close this message out as resolved.

Thanks again for your time. Take care!

-[redacted]"

GM 2

"Hello there Rechab,

This is Specialist Game Master [redacted]! I understand that you had an issue with supporting the Dark Lady instead of Saurfang.

I’m sorry to hear the wrong option was chosen here!

Unfortunately this choice is a one time option, and you are not able to change it after the fact. This is not something that anyone will be able to reset or undo.

If you would like to see the option to change sides afterward in the future, I would definitely recommend letting the developers know directly that you would like the option to exist by posting either a suggestion in game or posting to the questing to forums to let them know what changes you’d like to see.

I’m sorry that we weren’t able to assist with your issue. I understand how frustrating that can be. If you have any other problems that we could take care of in the future, please don’t hesitate to let us know."

My response to the second…

I don’t believe that it’s not possible to change. It’s nothing but computer code! It can definitely be done. I suppose the devs won’t allow it to be done is what the issue is. I hope all the devs involved receive a large chunk of coal in their stockings this Christmas! It was a dirty lawyer trick the way they did the quest.

Now my main has been corrupted forever without recourse. I hope the Dark Lady spares him! Please forward all of the tickets you get for this matter to Ion’s desk and have Lore read them all aloud!

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this blows so hard. it was definitely a very poorly executed quest chain. and unfair that there was no warning box when accepting zappy bois quest. I’m glad I’m not the only one in this situation but still struggling to actually compete the chain by saying " I will" to Saurfang. They could easily code in an “I WON’T” option there as a last ditch to not betray. For me personally accepting zappy bois quest I saw it as…okay let’s see both peoples point of view before I make the decision.

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One of the points I brought up in my response to the first GM was that when you go to give Paymaster Grintooth 100g for one of the supply quests, you get a pop-up prompting you to be sure you want to give him that measly pittance but they can’t be bothered to do the same for such a serious choice!

It’s painfully obvious the devs knew exactly what they were doing and wanted to cause a stir. Oh well, I guess there’s nothing more to be done.

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I’m not sure if this will make you feel better, but you have to remember this isn’t Skyrim or Dragon Age. WoW is not designed for any of our choices to really matter. We can’t even kill things enough to keep them dead for more than a few minutes.

There is no way they are making two permanent subclasses of Horde toons, one that chose S1 and one that chose S2, and have that choice be remotely relevant throughout the game. That would be a programming nightmare.

You’re basically choosing to skip a quest or get a toy. I doubt we’ll even get different cut scenes in the end.

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I’ve no idea what the devs are planning but I assume you’re correct in that it won’t make a huge difference either way. I also assume there must be some kind of consequence from your decision that involves more than just toy or no toy.

Why even bother to give us a choice if it doesn’t really matter in the end? I still haven’t completed Warrior’s Death and I’ll probably wait a while to do that just in case they change their minds.

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The same thing just happened to me, there should have been a much larger prompt of some kind clearly explaining the choice and what would occur after. I was so excited for the choice in the matter and am beyond disappointed this is how it went down.

Poor execution on blizzards part here.

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Might as well open a ticket. It won’t get anything resolved but it will annoy them and if they get a lot of tickets they might get the devs to do something about it.

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same here…i did not want to side with the traitor Saufang and the option not to is not very clear!!! Bad choice of the quest Blizz!!!

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Glad I found this out. Now I know to make my choice early.

How many undead would side with Saurfang? Almost none. Blood elves and trolls likely mixed. Tauren and orcs likely side with Saurfang. Goblins side with the money. Pandas confused.

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Just because there were articles and videos about the choice doesn’t mean every single player read or watched them. The main problem here is that there wasn’t a warning when accepting the quest to side with Saurfang, but there is for siding with Sylvanas through a dialogue box. I don’t get why Blizzard won’t revert the quest back to accept the other option when NO WARNING was given.
P.S. only in fantasy does the leader value every single person in their army.

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Got an answer to my ticket, which at least acknowledged that they’ve been getting a lot of feedback regarding the matter. But that at this stage the choice is still permanent for that character. So despite them saying they can not reset choice, I’m leaving the last quest unfinished, in the hopes that a hot fix may get implemented.

**Their Response to me: **
Greetings!

Indeed, we’ve gotten some feedback about the Fate of Saurfang quest line, specifically the choice just before Grim Tidings. A few of the pieces we’ve collected so far -

-Sometimes there’s no confirmation window for the choice
-Some would like the option to reset the choice
-Siding with Saurfang provides a Toy; some would like a similar reward for siding with Sylvanas

Please note that, at this time, the choice is permanent for the character that makes the choice. We’re unfortunately unable to reset the choice, as it is indeed permanent. That said, any Horde characters that have not yet made that choice are able to do so by progressing through the quest line as normal. In other words, if you choose Sylvanas on one character but would like to choose Saurfang on another, you can do that!

For me it’s no so much that maybe in the end whichever decision you pick doesn’t make a physical difference like in Skyrim or Dragon Age, etc. it’s more about the principle. My main is loyal to Sylvanas, and I feel jibbed.

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I’ve been supporting Blizzard during WoD even if I almost did not play the game and did not like but this Saurfang quest driving me NUTS. I was raging when I figured out that my “choice” was made 2 quests before!!! With this being said, you(Blizzard) mother bloopers ether let me make a choice to fight against Saurfang or you will never see my money anymore. It is not just some frustration, it is raging. Just to think about that I have to unite with that decision Saurfang makes me through. Moreover, I cannot get nice looking transmog b/c I cannot make MY DECISION.
Blizzard, you have 3 weeks before you will not see my money at all at any time at whatever you do. You made so many mistakes and I was loyal, but I will not tolerate it. I am pretty sure that there are thousand like me and with this dumb quest structure you lost thousands of people’s money. My money for sure. Who ever designed this quest must be fired/penalized b/c this is the most idiotic quest that I’ve ever seen in my life!!!

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I was pretty disappointed with the execution on this, too. Why not code something like the Pandaren Alliance/Horde choice box into this? It’s unreasonable to expect players who have been classically conditioned to click and accept “!” quests whenever they see them to stop and question the implications of following a particular breadcrumb.

I knew about the decision, but only found out by accident and tried to steer clear of the details, because I dislike spoilers. After I followed Zappy-Boi, I found myself wondering, “Is this where I choose?” only to realize that the choice was already locked-in.

I’m a busy person and don’t really have much time for alts, so this is pretty frustrating to me; especially since I was enjoying the story so far. I’ll still follow the story and try to enjoy where it leads, but whatever agency that the devs intended feels stripped-away by poor execution.

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I don’t think Blizzard planned on people siding with their terrorist leader, but anyone with any knowledge in psychology should realize that people will generally follow orders of a alpha (hence why we have all these nut-jobs doing horrible things for horrible people throughout the years).
This seems to follow through to virtual fictional alpha’s… as proven by the DK campaign then people complaining that it “made” them do actions they normally wouldn’t do. (No guys, you choose to murder all the dragons, cause the Class Daddy was gunna give you the keys to a new Corvette).

So I suspect Blizzard didn’t think we needed a warning box for making the most likely right decision.

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There is no right or wrong in war there is only win or lose. “Alpha” doesn’t apply in the slightest. You must think Lieutenants are betas since they’re not Generals lol. Scorched earth policy is always the best way to go in war. Total annihilation or you’ll just be dealing with them again later.

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