No proof of this I just think that would have been the best possible background story to Zovaal’s betrayal.
Could also tie in with Elune being the Winter Queen’s sister and yet Eonar was on Elunaria and it was Eonar who empowered Ysera from just a normal proto-drake into a dragon aspect to serve her.
We also saw Draka infiltrating a Legion stronghold and stealing documents and we’ve had in game confirmation the Legion has attacked Maldraxxus before.
Personally I think this would be the most amazing reveal of the expansion.
Zovaal rebelled against the creators of the cosmos, and the titan pantheon and the eternal ones (who are probably all siblings who killed their parents, the first ones because this is clearly ripping off greek mythology) teamed up and stopped him culminating with Sargeras slicing Zovaal’s face with his giant sword, giving him the scar on his lip, and just going giga chad and ripping his sigil out of his chest with his bare hand. They then trapped Zovaal in what his original covenant realm was which then became the maw and chained him up with domination magic.
For whatever reason Elune left after this and Winter Queen thought she had abandoned her.
Then for whatever reason Denathrius teamed up with Zovaal and created the dreadlords, which eventually tricked Sargeras into creating the burning legion and starting his burning crusade to destroy all life in the cosmos to stop the void lords.
If this is even partially true then we could get Illidan and the titans coming back in the Shadowlands to help save the cosmos from Zovaal.
There’s also still the mystery of the Eternal Traveler that said we would meet again when we got the transmog set at the end of BfA. They are still completely absent in Shadowlands expansion.
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I completely forgot to add that the titan pantheon also created The Arbiter and Argus the Unmaker after defeating and imprisoning Zovaal.
So the burning crusade was all a giant plot to get us to kill Argus and make the titans fight each other and weaken them so that Argus’ death would break the Arbiter and funnel all the souls into the maw to empower Zovaal.
There’s just no way Argus isn’t directly connected to the Arbiter and Oribos. He was literally datamined as the “death titan”
But they made classic WoW for you? And they just put out surveys basically confirming they are very much interested in making brand new classic wow content/expansions?
If you don’t like the titan pantheons and the cosmos and all the retail wow plot threads I’m sure they will make Classic WoW+ for you to experience new content in the old vanilla world eventually.
You lose me at this, otherwise I really quite like this as a possible overview that a full team could work with to bring different ideas to and form a cohesive plot.
Well, the WoW story has always been planned about 2-3 expansions ahead of the target expansions development. So this all stems back to before Legion during Warlords. I think the writers are doing a great job keeping true to the characters, motivations, world building and creativity of WarCraft as a whole. I cannot wait to see what comes up next. This is the best story we’ve ever seen so far in WoW.
It’s already confirmed that Denathrius created the dreadlords though? And the original story of Sargeras was he captured some dreadlords who told him about the existence of Void Lords corrupting sleeping titan world souls and corrupting them.
This horrified Sargeras and he ended up slicing a planet in half with his sword and freeing all the demons he had imprisoned to create the burning legion, whose true purpose was to stop the void lords from taking over the universe by destroying all life so there was nothing left for the void lords to corrupt.
Just because something was datamined doesn’t make it canon. There’s plenty of content that over the years has made it in to the client but was never approved and used as actual content. But even if this is canon doesn’t mean I have to like it.
I’m not disagreeing with you and implying it doesn’t make sense. I’m only voicing my opinion on whether or not it’s compelling enough to me personally. And again I stress for the record, it’s only my opinion.
Argus totally looks like the aesthetic of oribos and the blue scythe he used perfectly matches the eternal traveler’s transmog set.
He was originally datamined as “death titan” but then they changed it (probably because it was a big spoiler) and when we started Legion and when Ysera died in Legion, the Arbiter was working just fine.
Then we got the cutscene with the big red soul hurtling down into Oribos and smashing into the Arbiter (Argus’ soul or something like it right after we kill him in Antorus) and the Arbiter immediately stops working.
I’m 100% convinced Argus was either made to replace Zovaal with the Arbiter or he was left there to guard Zovaal and keep the Arbiter safe and watch over the shadowlands.
Also, I don’t want to hijack your thread with my own ideas of what would make your concept more appealing to me. I think that’s rude when people do that to someone’s thread. I like that you’ve put together a well thought-out over view and tried to piece every thing together effectively without retcons.
I just thought of this because of my suspicions about Argus and the Arbiter, and there’s an obvious scar on the Jailer’s lip and when he gets his sigil back from the Arbiter it clearly looks like someone just went full chad and smashed through his chest plating and ripped his sigil out previously which is why he has that splintered gaping hole in his new (original now restored) armor set.
When Ysera died, it is implied through that cut-scene that Elune herself took her soul. This seems to me to imply it did not go to Ardenweald via the Arbiter.
Did Elune bypass the Arbiter for some unknown reason or did Elune know that the Arbiter was incapacitated… that if she didn’t step in and take Ysera’s soul directly to Ardenweald herself it would go straight to the Maw.
There are lots of other characters too that didn’t die that long ago.
Garrosh was judged and sent to Revendreth.
Morgraine was sent to Maldraxxus.
Uther to Bastion.
We also haven’t seen any big named characters that died in Legion really besides Ysera.
It’s not really clear exactly when the arbiter stopped working but the mythic phase fight of Argus has him turn completely red and his scythe goes red, and the giant red soul hurtling into the Arbiter was kinda on-the-nose telling us this is when and why the Arbiter stopped working, because we killed the death titan that was keeping the machinery of death working.
This is also why Sylvanas then starts killing as many people as she can in BfA right after the end of Legion, because she is working with the jailer and knows the arbiter isn’t working anymore now that Argus is dead, so she needs as many people to die and go to the maw to empower the jailer (and her) as possible.
Warcraft 2 ended with us defeating a Dragon Aspect and sealing the portal to another dimension. Beyond the Dark Portal ended with another world blowing up.
Warcraft 3 ended with a world-destroying demon being killed, causing a race of immortal warriors to lose the immortality they had for ten thousand years. Frozen Throne ended with the creation of a “New God” so to speak (at least prior to the massive power-creep these last 6 years).
I don’t mind the existence of all of those things in the Warcraft universe, but I think as far as open world multiplayer games are concerned (where storytelling ability is very heavily restricted by the nature of the genre), those more grand concepts work better as fuzzy outlines in the distance that are defined just well enough to help along worldbuilding and add a sense of intrigue. I think those ideas might be better explored in single player games… in the case of Warcraft that usually means an RTS, but a single player Warcraft RPG would be pretty killer for that purpose too.
The dream setup would be a single player series running parallel to WoW where all the movie-scale plot developments happen, while WoW focuses on fleshing out the world established in the single player game and focuses on more localized, smaller scale baddies that aren’t as impacted by MMORPG restrictions. Basically, a setup much like we had with Vanilla coming right off the heels of WCIII: TFT, but perpetually. That’ll probably never happen though.
Okay, so, I’m going to burst the lore bubble here and I hate to do it but here we go. Some spoilers included.
No, Sargeras was not involved in what happened to Zovaal. The orb was torn from his chest by the other ancient ones, before they cast him into the Maw. The Titan Pantheon was not involved, even remotely, by this exchange.
People seem to be of the assumption that because Eonar empowered Ysera that Eonar is the Winter Queen’s sister. This isn’t the case. Yes, Eonar, through Freya, empowered Ysera and Alexstrasza, but Elune has always had a stronger connection to Ysera and directly intervened to purify her of the Nightmare and preserve her soul after she was slain during Legion. This is something she’s never done before to any other mortal being. And honestly? We know via spoilers in the 9.1 campaign that Elune shows up and the Winter Queen calls her, her sister so, there’s that too.
And no, the Titan Pantheon did not create the Shadowlands, the Arbiter or Argus the Unmaker. The First Ones were responsible for the creation of the Shadowlands and the Eternal Ones, but the Arbiter is not one of them. She’s a construct, likely created by the other Eternal Ones to serve the role that Zovaal once did. Argus the Unmaker was the Titan World Soul located in Argus, just like there’s a Titan World Soul within Azeroth, only Sargeras and the Legion got to him and corrupted him before the Pantheon could do anything to save or preserve him.
