Also new San'layn could easily be created and it would make perfect sense for the Horde to do so.
Blood Elves are already OP and pretty loyal to Sylvanas, undead Blood Elves are even more OP and even more loyal to Sylvanas, they would help the Horde win the war. NOT raising more San'layn would be some of the most illogical storytelling Blizz has done in a while
10/04/2018 01:17 AMPosted by VaelianI'm surprised Sylvanas isn't out there trying to recruit the Blood Trolls.
Because they're crazy-evil cannibals who worship a pseudo Old God. The Alliance tried to ally with them in their war campaign, it ended badly.
10/05/2018 01:50 PMPosted by VaiheimHonestly, we don’t have the numbers for how many of Kael’thas’ forces were slain/raised, how many died in Northrend during WoTLk, or how many flocked to Dreven’s side. This, along with the possibility that the San’layn can re-populate, give me hope that the Alliance questline wasn’t just a giant tease that ended with a denial.
Ultimately, Dreven wasn’t one of the MIA Blood Princes, and that suggests that either their population was much higher than we previously thought, or they’re making more.
Well. If you want to go the "being created" route, 90% of Quel'Thalas fell to the Scourge, so that means there are potentially 100% more Undead Elves then there are Blood Elves.
Lots of recruitment potential.
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Not to mention, the elves dying in the war could agree to serve their city even after death. There's a war going on and again, many are dying. The issue there is, however, obvious reservations against the scourge and actually trusting the process. Which I doubt is the case. I think the most likely scenario is that these new San'layn were either frozen initially, or that 'unwilling' elves are now being raised from the dead to serve again.
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or blizzard just forgot about them and just thought that the San'layn were cool and wanted a reason to add them to the expansion and made a new blood prince that was thus easily expendable.10/05/2018 01:50 PMPosted by VaiheimUltimately, Dreven wasn’t one of the MIA Blood Princes, and that suggests that either their population was much higher than we previously thought, or they’re making more.
I'm worried blizzard is going to give us Undead Night Elves at this point if you've seen the recent spoilers of what Nathanos is cooking up in Darkshore.
10/08/2018 08:08 AMPosted by ScotiaI'm worried blizzard is going to give us Undead Night Elves at this point if you've seen the recent spoilers of what Nathanos is cooking up in Darkshore.
Yup, that's what I'm afraid of too. I used to think Nathanos would be the San'layn emissary in the embassy, but now it seems just as likely that he'll be the emissary of a dark ranger race with night elf customizations.
No me gusta.
10/08/2018 08:08 AMPosted by ScotiaI'm worried blizzard is going to give us Undead Night Elves at this point if you've seen the recent spoilers of what Nathanos is cooking up in Darkshore.
Honestly, if they did that, I would be beyond furious. They tease an, in my opinion, superior choice for an Allied Race, but give us a worse option.
personally i love the Night Elves more than the Blood Elves. i love almost everything about them, from their voice, stature, height, lore etc..., but since i main horde i have had to make due with blood elves up until they gave us Nightborne. so while i would so enjoy the idea of being able to play as an undead night elf, i would still much prefer getting San'layn. the most ideal result (for me at least) would be San'layn that use a Night Elf model.10/08/2018 08:26 AMPosted by Vaiheim10/08/2018 08:08 AMPosted by ScotiaI'm worried blizzard is going to give us Undead Night Elves at this point if you've seen the recent spoilers of what Nathanos is cooking up in Darkshore.
Honestly, if they did that, I would be beyond furious. They tease an, in my opinion, superior choice for an Allied Race, but give us a worse option.
as for the night elves that Nathanos raises in Darkshore, i see them being either a one off type deal (they do their part in the Darkshore warfront, possibly even being a recruit from the barracks, then they are rarely ever seen again) or they are just mixed in to the various Dark Ranger NPCs we see around. the only reason i could ever think of as for them giving playable undead Night Elves would be to give us Undead Druids, but it kinda feels like the Kul Tirans will have that niche covered with their Drust Magic.
10/08/2018 06:10 AMPosted by Nemestrïnusor blizzard just forgot about them and just thought that the San'layn were cool and wanted a reason to add them to the expansion and made a new blood prince that was thus easily expendable.10/05/2018 01:50 PMPosted by VaiheimUltimately, Dreven wasn’t one of the MIA Blood Princes, and that suggests that either their population was much higher than we previously thought, or they’re making more.
Nah I don't think they'd do that, to be honest. I mean, it's a HUGE thing in the story, and I feel like they'd do as much research as possible before making a decision. There is definitely some reason why they made an entirely new blood prince as opposed to using two missing ones--there is a story there and too many details left out just for it to be forgotten. Why don't we see this dynamic on the Horde side, either? There's no way they just kinda forgot to show the horde this too. I'm still betting you that it'll continue the story, mark my words.
i'm certain they'll continue the story in the upcoming 8.1. and i don't know how true it is but i keep hearing that they are using two seperate writing teams for the horde and alliance quests who don't really discuss what they are doing with each other.10/08/2018 10:34 AMPosted by Fallynn10/08/2018 06:10 AMPosted by Nemestrïnus...or blizzard just forgot about them and just thought that the San'layn were cool and wanted a reason to add them to the expansion and made a new blood prince that was thus easily expendable.
Nah I don't think they'd do that, to be honest. I mean, it's a HUGE thing in the story, and I feel like they'd do as much research as possible before making a decision. There is definitely some reason why they made an entirely new blood prince as opposed to using two missing ones--there is a story there and too many details left out just for it to be forgotten. Why don't we see this dynamic on the Horde side, either? There's no way they just kinda forgot to show the horde this too. I'm still betting you that it'll continue the story, mark my words.
but i only threw that out there (them forgetting about the 2 remaining ones) because that just seems like something that could have happened at this point with some of the questionable decisions the story is being taken down.
So, exactly like Void Elves vs. High Elves? :P10/08/2018 08:26 AMPosted by VaiheimHonestly, if they did that, I would be beyond furious. They tease an, in my opinion, superior choice for an Allied Race, but give us a worse option.
10/08/2018 10:48 AMPosted by ReevenSo, exactly like Void Elves vs. High Elves? :P10/08/2018 08:26 AMPosted by VaiheimHonestly, if they did that, I would be beyond furious. They tease an, in my opinion, superior choice for an Allied Race, but give us a worse option.
Just because High Elf people got a race they did not ask for, Void Elves, does not mean we should as well though x.x two 'wrongs' don't make a right. I personally like void elves, but I understand their frustration with the ordeal entirely. Night Elven undead have nothing unique to offer, they're just night elves... that would be dead. No unique path or history, just recent "oh I was killed but now I'm undead and suddenly working for the Horde for some reason, HAHA!"
I myself really don't want to see that direction and think it would be a bad decision on Blizzard's part. But I also don't see them actually making them an Allied Race at all. It's not something that would be logical. They just argued about model sharing against High Elves. Now how would they make a night elven model look different? It'd be 100% just a Night Elf DK. Which is another thing--it wouldn't be any different except a DK look for different classes.
Whereas we've proposed tons of changes, of course, to how San'layn could look, and they indeed have a very different history starting a decade ago, might I add.
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Said this in the High Elf thread, but this needs to be said in every Allied race thread.
10/08/2018 11:47 AMPosted by DredeI like how people say adding High Elves (And other races) would take away from adding other races but never actually request those other races.
Start your own thread. Not our fault less people want them.
Heck, I've been trying to support Ogres and Forest Trolls but good luck getting a thread that last more than a day.
But fact is, if you're not asking for your thing then that's doing more harm to the hopes of them being implemented then asking for other races ever could.
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10/08/2018 12:08 PMPosted by DredeSaid this in the High Elf thread, but this needs to be said in every Allied race thread.10/08/2018 11:47 AMPosted by DredeI like how people say adding High Elves (And other races) would take away from adding other races but never actually request those other races.
Start your own thread. Not our fault less people want them.
Heck, I've been trying to support Ogres and Forest Trolls but good luck getting a thread that last more than a day.
But fact is, if you're not asking for your thing then that's doing more harm to the hopes of them being implemented then asking for other races ever could.
Hah that reminds me of what I said on a different thread, right here:
10/08/2018 11:34 AMPosted by Fallynn10/08/2018 07:17 AMPosted by MistblossomWhy are you people so obsessed with how others prefer their pixels to look like? Really never seen a player base be so salty over something so unimportant.
That's a good question. I honestly don't understand the 'no more elves' crowd. Elf players will go play those options... there's a lot of us, and it'd make a good chunk of the playerbase happy to have more options. A ton of non-elf players aren't going to suddenly swap to an elven race upon implementation of another one. It has no affect on them.
Also, I'm not saying 'add more of this INSTEAD of [xyz]' because that would be selfish. People seem to think that 'it's my way(or race in this case) or the highway'. I don't put down other races, some I genuinely don't support, but I don't go out of my way to rant in threads and create new ones about not wanting them. I think all of this energy toward hatred at elves is ridiculous, and the numbers are definitely against them. The hateful people are the loudest on the forums, after all.
My advice toward those that highly dislike elves: Go support another race you'd like to see in the game. Make a story as to why they would join, try to figure out what they've been doing all this time, gather data on their lore. Make some jokes, propose some model ideas, do something other than rant about how much you hate elves on other threads. Go add support on a thread that's made for the race you want by searching if it's already there--if it's not, make one. Because I can almost guarantee you, it's not helping you.
People will continue to play and enjoy elves despite your anger. The numbers show it. You'd do much better for yourself by actually putting work into something you want to see added rather than grief others that won't change their opinion because you spam 'no more elves'.
People need to realize that here in our thread, we don't put other races down. I can say I don't support various ones--like the Lightforged undead, or the Night Elf undead. I simply don't like the concepts, but I will never make an anti-thread or rant on their threads if they ever make them. I might make an argument here (that is thought out) as to why I don't see them as a fit, but that would be all.
Other than that, I do think supporting anything that people want and that would make sense is reasonable. None of us are asking for San'layn right away. By no means are we demanding "WE WANT OUR VAMPYR RIGHT NOW!"--never, never ever. We want to brainstorm and share ideas for hopefully getting them at some point.
I think most other concepts are really neat, cool, and awesome, and I love aiding people in setting up their discords, or giving them advice on how to get their support and threads going even if I never plan on playing the race myself. Because as someone fully in support of a creative community, I think that being constructive and nice to each other is much better than putting one another down.
Arguments that are not mudslinging and constructive are excellent and span conversation and more ideas. But not those that go out of their way to put down and be mean.
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With all due respect if they never add another elf race ever again to this game, there’s still too many elf races.
They need more variety than the reskins they’ve been churning out
They need more variety than the reskins they’ve been churning out
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10/08/2018 12:14 PMPosted by SlimeseasonWith all due respect if they never add another elf race ever again to this game, there’s still too many elf races.
They need more variety than the reskins they’ve been churning out
Read the exact posts below please, that would be our response!
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Hah that reminds me of what I said on a different thread, right here:
Also some good points.
it is not Blizzards fault that Elves are the most famous fantasy race to ever be created. it is not Blizzards fault that there are already several types of Elves (Dark, Wood, High, etc...) before Warcraft became a thing. Blizzard simply took the various fantasy races (plus human) and put them into a game. i may not know much about the other races, but i can't think that there'd be much they could do for some of these races, in Warcraft lore Elves are highly receptive to mutation via magic sources so it's no wonder they are able to continuously bring in some new variation of Elf. it is also not Blizzards fault that they create a new elf and the playerbase then goes "i want to play as one of those," nor is it the playerbases fault for seeing a new fancy elf and going "i want to play as that."10/08/2018 12:14 PMPosted by SlimeseasonWith all due respect if they never add another elf race ever again to this game, there’s still too many elf races.
They need more variety than the reskins they’ve been churning out
fact of the matter is, as long as WoW is a Fantasy game, there will always be elves, and there will always be people that want to play said elves.
Now then, we should move on to discuss more compelling things that have to do with us in general. Responding to every 'no more elf!' person won't help us at all, especially since a lot ignore our responses (I know not every single one does, and some are kind ans make good arguments, but this is in my opinion and from my observations.) and don't care to put in the effort to reading the first post. Which is fine, I suppose.
The starting scenario--what would we want it to be like? Where would we like it to take place? If we had the ability to choose, anyway...
I honestly think Northrend would be the best place. And, hear me out, a specific spot in Northrend. The highest concentration of San'layn in the game was in Borean Tundra back in wrath. En'kilah. That choke point was mighty important, and that's where we learned that Valanar has a lot of trickery up his sleeve. I even think that a redone Naxxanar can be done again.
Supposing we did get Naxxanar as a 'starting zone' for our vampyr, what kind of art do we want to see? Lots of reds, blood orbs, kinda regal-gothic style things that only San'layn would offer? We know void elves have a voidish, very dark look. San'layn would take a different route, going with more royal blood reds, and possibly golds. Some artwork of bats, or even tons of bats flying about would be super neat.
Or, what about the entire Temple City of En'kilah? Might be asking a bit much, but it's fun to consider regardless :)
The starting scenario--what would we want it to be like? Where would we like it to take place? If we had the ability to choose, anyway...
I honestly think Northrend would be the best place. And, hear me out, a specific spot in Northrend. The highest concentration of San'layn in the game was in Borean Tundra back in wrath. En'kilah. That choke point was mighty important, and that's where we learned that Valanar has a lot of trickery up his sleeve. I even think that a redone Naxxanar can be done again.
Supposing we did get Naxxanar as a 'starting zone' for our vampyr, what kind of art do we want to see? Lots of reds, blood orbs, kinda regal-gothic style things that only San'layn would offer? We know void elves have a voidish, very dark look. San'layn would take a different route, going with more royal blood reds, and possibly golds. Some artwork of bats, or even tons of bats flying about would be super neat.
Or, what about the entire Temple City of En'kilah? Might be asking a bit much, but it's fun to consider regardless :)
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