monk is given to allied races so that they have multiple tank/healing classes available to them. with San'layn so far the only ones that are obvious choices for healer/tanks would be Warrior (everyone gets warrior) and Priest (canonically Shadow, but they can't give only one spec of a class) so they need at least one more healer/tank. Druid is pretty much out of the question, DK would be iffy depending on if the alliance get something that can also be DK, monk and Paladin are the only real possibilities, monk being the more likely case but i believe that if any undead (outside of that one horseman) could be a paladin it would be the San'layn since they are in the upper tier of undeath along with Death Knights and Lichs10/02/2018 07:44 PMPosted by Fallynn10/02/2018 07:31 PMPosted by Balesong...
There are forsaken monks because there were pandaren there to teach them. I doubt they'd have monk when first introduced if at all.
But there are HM Tauren monks too, and they'd not been interacted with at all beforehand o.o the only ones not able to be a monk are LF Draeni.
If that's the case there shouldn't be KT or Zandalari monks either, and we know that isn't going to be the case.
10/03/2018 06:22 AMPosted by Nemestrïnusmonk is given to allied races so that they have multiple tank/healing classes available to them. with San'layn so far the only ones that are obvious choices for healer/tanks would be Warrior (everyone gets warrior) and Priest (canonically Shadow, but they can't give only one spec of a class) so they need at least one more healer/tank. Druid is pretty much out of the question, DK would be iffy depending on if the alliance get something that can also be DK, monk and Paladin are the only real possibilities, monk being the more likely case but i believe that if any undead (outside of that one horseman) could be a paladin it would be the San'layn since they are in the upper tier of undeath along with Death Knights and Lichs10/02/2018 07:44 PMPosted by Fallynn...
But there are HM Tauren monks too, and they'd not been interacted with at all beforehand o.o the only ones not able to be a monk are LF Draeni.
If that's the case there shouldn't be KT or Zandalari monks either, and we know that isn't going to be the case.
San'layn paladins would make sense if they functioned in the way blood Knights originally did, they do have a font of power to draw from now after all.
monks make sense in the same way forsaken do.
I kinda doubt we'd get paladins with them though, but I can hope.
10/03/2018 05:12 PMPosted by Swiftraven10/03/2018 06:22 AMPosted by Nemestrïnus...monk is given to allied races so that they have multiple tank/healing classes available to them. with San'layn so far the only ones that are obvious choices for healer/tanks would be Warrior (everyone gets warrior) and Priest (canonically Shadow, but they can't give only one spec of a class) so they need at least one more healer/tank. Druid is pretty much out of the question, DK would be iffy depending on if the alliance get something that can also be DK, monk and Paladin are the only real possibilities, monk being the more likely case but i believe that if any undead (outside of that one horseman) could be a paladin it would be the San'layn since they are in the upper tier of undeath along with Death Knights and Lichs
San'layn paladins would make sense if they functioned in the way blood Knights originally did, they do have a font of power to draw from now after all.
monks make sense in the same way forsaken do.
I kinda doubt we'd get paladins with them though, but I can hope.
A couple years ago, I would have strongly disagreed with you. However, at this point I think the lore supports the undead being able to wield the light as paladins do. What with Calia, Zeliek, and Alonsus Faol existing in the lore, the undead have effectively been shown to be able to co-exist with the light.
The opposite cosmic force of death is nature, not light. For that reason, I think we'll never an undead druid. But undead paladins should still be on the table.
I'm surprised Sylvanas isn't out there trying to recruit the Blood Trolls.
Some of their abilities do seem similar to San'layn and a quest I did tonight was saying that continued use of blood magic eventually causes it to spread like an infection.
I found that part pretty interesting.
Much like the Blood elves dabbling with the void...
Even without blood princes it might only take some dabbling with blood magic to end up as such.
It's a shame the name blood elves is already taken =P
Some of their abilities do seem similar to San'layn and a quest I did tonight was saying that continued use of blood magic eventually causes it to spread like an infection.
I found that part pretty interesting.
Much like the Blood elves dabbling with the void...
Even without blood princes it might only take some dabbling with blood magic to end up as such.
It's a shame the name blood elves is already taken =P
10/02/2018 07:44 PMPosted by Fallynn10/02/2018 07:31 PMPosted by Balesong...
There are forsaken monks because there were pandaren there to teach them. I doubt they'd have monk when first introduced if at all.
But there are HM Tauren monks too, and they'd not been interacted with at all beforehand o.o the only ones not able to be a monk are LF Draeni.
If that's the case there shouldn't be KT or Zandalari monks either, and we know that isn't going to be the case.
Sorry, my mistake. :) I didn't know that those two races were going to be monks too.
10/03/2018 05:19 PMPosted by Rorrand10/03/2018 05:12 PMPosted by Swiftraven...
San'layn paladins would make sense if they functioned in the way blood Knights originally did, they do have a font of power to draw from now after all.
monks make sense in the same way forsaken do.
I kinda doubt we'd get paladins with them though, but I can hope.
A couple years ago, I would have strongly disagreed with you. However, at this point I think the lore supports the undead being able to wield the light as paladins do. What with Calia, Zeliek, and Alonsus Faol existing in the lore, the undead have effectively been shown to be able to co-exist with the light.
The opposite cosmic force of death is nature, not light. For that reason, I think we'll never an undead druid. But undead paladins should still be on the table.
On that note, a lot of people forget that there are a number of different classes displayed in ICC. Most notably, the Blood Knight, if I remember right. So it wouldn’t be far fetched at all to allow them.
Obviously, DKs should be allowed for them and some of the other ARs, but that requires some tweaking to the starting zone and figuring out if they’d be able to earn heritage armor or not.
It would be really, really nice if they could.
10/04/2018 09:16 AMPosted by Lueran10/03/2018 05:19 PMPosted by Rorrand...
A couple years ago, I would have strongly disagreed with you. However, at this point I think the lore supports the undead being able to wield the light as paladins do. What with Calia, Zeliek, and Alonsus Faol existing in the lore, the undead have effectively been shown to be able to co-exist with the light.
The opposite cosmic force of death is nature, not light. For that reason, I think we'll never an undead druid. But undead paladins should still be on the table.
On that note, a lot of people forget that there are a number of different classes displayed in ICC. Most notably, the Blood Knight, if I remember right. So it wouldn’t be far fetched at all to allow them.
Obviously, DKs should be allowed for them and some of the other ARs, but that requires some tweaking to the starting zone and figuring out if they’d be able to earn heritage armor or not.
It would be really, really nice if they could.
I agree entirely. There are cases when the undead use light like a paladin, like with Whitemane and Zelik. The holy priest undead, of whom get burned but definitely can use it, also show this. San'layn are supposed to be powerful undead and I honestly think they could handle it.
05/10/2011 03:10 PMPosted by Omacronhttp://www.wowpedia.org/Ask_CDev
Can you please explain how "light" works? The lore states that undead are physically incapable of using the light, much like the Broken, but then we have Forsaken players casting healing spells, and Sir Zeliek in Naxxramas using pseudo-paladin abilities.
Without spoiling too much, we can tell you that wielding the Light is a matter of having willpower or faith in one's own ability to do it. That's why there are evil paladins (for example, the Scarlet Crusade and Arthas before he took up Frostmourne). For the undead (and Forsaken), this requires such a great deal of willpower that it is exceedingly rare, especially since it is self-destructive. When undead channel the Light, it feels (to them) as if their entire bodies are being consumed in righteous fire. Forsaken healed by the Light (whether the healer is Forsaken or not) are effectively cauterized by the effect: sure, the wound is healed, but the healing effect is cripplingly painful. Thus, Forsaken priests are beings of unwavering willpower; Forsaken (and death knight) tanks suffer nobly when they have priest and paladin healers in the group; and Sir Zeliek REALLY hates himself.
They actually explicitly mention death knights, so, yes.
Also I'm so glad I can still actually quote this haha.
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We know Dreven was training more San'layn.
But where exactly was he training them from?
But where exactly was he training them from?
10/05/2018 03:51 AMPosted by DredeWe know Dreven was training more San'layn.
But where exactly was he training them from?
Likely for more attacks on the Alliance. And no offence meant by this, but they can feed on the Alliance to sustain themselves (we see forsaken doing it ALL THE TIME). This way the whole "BUT THEY NEED TO EAT PEOPLE" thing is negated, due to well... I mean, they'd die anyway of course.
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10/05/2018 09:44 AMPosted by Fallynn10/05/2018 03:51 AMPosted by DredeWe know Dreven was training more San'layn.
But where exactly was he training them from?
Likely for more attacks on the Alliance. And no offence meant by this, but they can feed on the Alliance to sustain themselves (we see forsaken doing it ALL THE TIME). This way the whole "BUT THEY NEED TO EAT PEOPLE" thing is negated, due to well... I mean, they'd die anyway of course.
I mean where was he getting his initiates.
10/05/2018 11:45 AMPosted by Drede10/05/2018 09:44 AMPosted by Fallynn...
Likely for more attacks on the Alliance. And no offence meant by this, but they can feed on the Alliance to sustain themselves (we see forsaken doing it ALL THE TIME). This way the whole "BUT THEY NEED TO EAT PEOPLE" thing is negated, due to well... I mean, they'd die anyway of course.
I mean where was he getting his initiates.
Oh. See that's a good question, I have no idea. I didn't even speculate on that bit, actually, because to be honest... who knows. Maybe raising them from blood elves dying on the front? I know as Alliance we kill quite a few of the archaeologists. Perhaps from there. Maybe some of them willingly are being turned in order to be more powerful, as well? Who knows, but exploring that is very interesting... anyone have any ideas?
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10/05/2018 12:01 PMPosted by FallynnOh. See that's a good question, I have no idea. I didn't even speculate on that bit, actually, because to be honest... who knows. Maybe raising them from blood elves dying on the front? I know as Alliance we kill quite a few of the archaeologists. Perhaps from there. Maybe some of them willingly are being turned in order to be more powerful, as well? Who knows, but exploring that is very interesting... anyone have any ideas?
Maybe they're the remnants of Kael'thas's army from warcraft 3? Lana'thel might not have raised all of them at once and kept a few on ice for later use, kinda like the vrykul were in ice crown.
The Vrykul were put in this suspended animation we can see this in Howling fjord when we go to stop King ymiron's wife from reanimating him.
10/05/2018 12:01 PMPosted by Fallynn10/05/2018 11:45 AMPosted by Drede...
I mean where was he getting his initiates.
Oh. See that's a good question, I have no idea. I didn't even speculate on that bit, actually, because to be honest... who knows. Maybe raising them from blood elves dying on the front? I know as Alliance we kill quite a few of the archaeologists. Perhaps from there. Maybe some of them willingly are being turned in order to be more powerful, as well? Who knows, but exploring that is very interesting... anyone have any ideas?
You know what this means... This is now a blank canvas that Blizz could do anything with!
I just want to say, I'm grateful for all of you coming up with ideas that I hadn't even thought of. It was all right there and it's insane how we haven't touched upon this. It's gold! I love both of the things you guys said. We can talk about every possibility and hopefully give Blizz some ideas, if they're watching the thread!
Alright, so the icicle elves, I love it. Honestly, that makes perfect sense to me. The bodies have been preserved, so why not?
What about willing converts too? Pretty crazy to think about. With all of the chaos going around and the elves potentially looking for more power, and a way to get away from the sunwell, one could swap the reliance on sunwell for reliance on blood. Blood would be a more readily available source, though...
Alright, so the icicle elves, I love it. Honestly, that makes perfect sense to me. The bodies have been preserved, so why not?
What about willing converts too? Pretty crazy to think about. With all of the chaos going around and the elves potentially looking for more power, and a way to get away from the sunwell, one could swap the reliance on sunwell for reliance on blood. Blood would be a more readily available source, though...
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What if...
... Secret Vampire School?
But, really. Given the fact that you can be taught to be one opens up a whole new set of possibilities.
I suppose the requirements are you have to be Undead and/or and Elf?
... Secret Vampire School?
But, really. Given the fact that you can be taught to be one opens up a whole new set of possibilities.
I suppose the requirements are you have to be Undead and/or and Elf?
If Horde got playable vampires, that would be the death of the alliance.
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Honestly, we don’t have the numbers for how many of Kael’thas’ forces were slain/raised, how many died in Northrend during WoTLk, or how many flocked to Dreven’s side. This, along with the possibility that the San’layn can re-populate, give me hope that the Alliance questline wasn’t just a giant tease that ended with a denial.
Ultimately, Dreven wasn’t one of the MIA Blood Princes, and that suggests that either their population was much higher than we previously thought, or they’re making more.
Ultimately, Dreven wasn’t one of the MIA Blood Princes, and that suggests that either their population was much higher than we previously thought, or they’re making more.
10/03/2018 05:12 PMPosted by Swiftraven10/03/2018 06:22 AMPosted by Nemestrïnus...monk is given to allied races so that they have multiple tank/healing classes available to them. with San'layn so far the only ones that are obvious choices for healer/tanks would be Warrior (everyone gets warrior) and Priest (canonically Shadow, but they can't give only one spec of a class) so they need at least one more healer/tank. Druid is pretty much out of the question, DK would be iffy depending on if the alliance get something that can also be DK, monk and Paladin are the only real possibilities, monk being the more likely case but i believe that if any undead (outside of that one horseman) could be a paladin it would be the San'layn since they are in the upper tier of undeath along with Death Knights and Lichs
San'layn paladins would make sense if they functioned in the way blood Knights originally did, they do have a font of power to draw from now after all.
monks make sense in the same way forsaken do.
I kinda doubt we'd get paladins with them though, but I can hope.
San'layn Paladins, Mages, Warlocks, Death Knights, and I think Priests are already canon
10/05/2018 01:54 PMPosted by Zeldris10/03/2018 05:12 PMPosted by Swiftraven...
San'layn paladins would make sense if they functioned in the way blood Knights originally did, they do have a font of power to draw from now after all.
monks make sense in the same way forsaken do.
I kinda doubt we'd get paladins with them though, but I can hope.
San'layn Paladins, Mages, Warlocks, Death Knights, and I think Priests are already canon
And rogues.
10/05/2018 01:37 PMPosted by DredeWhat if...
... Secret Vampire School?
I have been hoping that if they do get added they move into scarlet monastery, it's kinda perfect if you think about it.
A monastery built high in the mountains in a dark zone where even when the sun is out it still looks like it's night, in a no man's land (at least for now) and if there are any crusaders left (i doubt it after what the dk's did to them in legion) they can just infiltrate them and take over their leadership like Prince Valanar did in Borean Tundra.
Or they can just go kill those who resist and keep the rest alive as cattle, think dawnguard dlc for skyrim.
Edit: I'm not saying they should get rid of the dungeon if they do this btw.