San’layn/vampyr Elf ALLIED RACE Coagulated Megathread of Ideas{Re-VAMPed} (Part 1)

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This is going to expose me (even more >_> ) as the giant nerd that I am, but on the subject of racial mounts for San’layn my brain was switching between a new variation of the undead horses (because maining primarily Forsaken Horde-side I love my undead horses darn it), and bats because, well…obviously. And well, make a new model that combines undead horse and bat.

Played around on google search, and well, thestrals from Harry Potter >_> and yes…my nerd level is officially terminal. Only make them more regal/scary with pretty armor.

On a side tangent, can I grumble on how disappointed I was with the Venthyr mount? Because the first thing that pops into my mind when I think ‘goth vampire court’ is ‘stone, bear, thing.’ >_>

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I didn’t want to say anything but I also thought bout that. Lol

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The stone gargons have a bit of a weird animation as it’s tied to the bear form. I like the horse steeds better for venthyr and especially love the gargoyles. I was suggesting something similar to how other allied races have been treated, such as lightforged with there lightforged elekks. Meanwhile the dark iron for example have corehounds and a unique variation of the ram mount with it. Compared to the corehound mounts we had before. As a shaman I am sort of biased towards golems/elemantals. A blood elemental would be cool. I looked at thestrals they are unique. Those would have been good for venthyr imo.

So far I am found of a san’layn heavily san’layn armored hawkstrider/dragonhawk/lynx, or a different variaton of a gargoyle maybe based on another anima such as a bat. Or just bat mounts and a bat form racial like worgen have (they themselves running on all fours as a mount). I think the cloud of bats would be a nice racial mount.

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8755

No more Elves… we are world of Elfcraft. and I love Elves.

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Well to be fair at this point there’s four types of playable elves and four types of playable humans (standard human <----, zombie human, werewolf human, and burly human). While I doubt they’ll give us San’layn as a full-on allied race (which I’d LOVE, obviously), I don’t see the harm in giving us more race options via customization options. San’layn are vampire blood elves so it makes sense they’d be blood elf options, so that and dark ranger options only make sense.

Hmm…though what if they started putting in more customization options unlocked via quest chains? Like say, in the case of San’layn, you take your blood elf character through a quest chain where you actually go through the process of being turned into a San’layn (heck through the magic of phasing you could actually have been one of the recruits on Dreven’s ship).

Then once you reach the point in the story when you’ve been turned, it opens up a customization window where you pick your new San’layn options (which afterwards would unlock those options for that character via the barber shop if you wanted to change them or try new ones).

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I saw them on my search but didn’t bring them up myself because I don’t support that author; that said, yes they do have a neat appearance that fits well!

I found the horse I shared on my Google search as well. Like I said, I kinda wish invincible got an update.

Maybe we’d be able to see him then…

Edit: I utterly hate the venthyr mount. It fits them as a race though, I’ll say that. I think it has to be one of the most aesthetically unpleasant mounts in the game.

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As if you greedy people haven’t already gotten enough that doesn’t belong to you, get your own stuff and your own themes and stop trying to take ours.

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Ah that’s another hidden reply I see. I’m glad that there’s only a very small number of individuals that are suggesting it, who already have said blatantly it is out of pure spite.

I almost find the “no more elf” people less annoying, but I’ve been rolling my eyes at them for years now. The “let’s give something that belongs on the Horde to the Alliance purely out of spite even though we got what we begged for crew” is a new kind of anti for sure.

I’ll just continue pushing San’layn for Horde or neutral if they ever give us neutral guilds. Been here for years now, and it seems like support for the idea is on the rise lately, so I have no worries.

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Still supporting this dream :bat:

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Yeah…sadly I feel the same these days, but that’s not to say we couldn’t steal the concept of ‘fleshier undead horse with bat wings’ (you can’t own concepts like that and that person certainly didn’t invent that one either). While still lean and elegant they could bulk them up a little and add fangs, claws, etc to make them more vampiric-looking and give them a unique name…

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Yeah I agree entirely. The designs are just super neat and I love them, so yeah they would be a pretty good basis. I do like how really elegant they are as well, but also like they can fight well too.

Gods all of this discussion keeps making me really want updates of both hawkstriders and skeletal horses.

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All the mounts should be updated to the current standards I think.

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On the subject of elves, I will again state that my interest in San’layn is not because they’re elves, but moreso their backstory and storyline potential as a playable race.

I get that there can be an annoyance of there being several elf races, which given the popularity of elves in any form of media, I can at least understand the disdain of seeing a bunch of elf races.

At the same time, if you look past San’layn being elves, there is just a lot of potential for them as a playable Horde race. Sure, them being elves will play into their backstory, but I feel that it complements them more than it hinders them. The idea of them being former Blood Elves who died just doing their duty, putting their faith in Kael’thas, only to get slain, become undead minions, break free and find that everyone suddenly views them as monsters, and them trying to survive and hopefully reconnect with Silvermoon just has a lot of potential as a lead-in for them becoming a playable Horde race.

They also would have a positive effect on the Horde, who would open up to their plight and allow them in. They also play on a potential Kael’thas redemption, would help Lor’themar grow as a character, and could be part of a Ghostlands revamp. Not to mention being part of storylines and even novels, being spies in bat form or the general stories of them reconnecting with family or friends in Silvermoon.

I could go on, but my point is that some races may seem kinda meh to others at first glance, but if you look into their story, you could be pleasantly surprised. And for San’layn, There is a lot of potential for players to really get attached to their lore, which in term causes a connection to their San’layn characters while getting really into the story.

It’s possible what I typed could’ve been said better, but if given the chance with some creativity, playable Horde San’layn have a lot to offer that would be pretty amazing to see and be a part of. They can be much more than just “another elf race.” :wine_glass::bat:

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On the subject of Mounts, I still like the Barghest idea because of its connection to mythology.

But I can defiantly see the devs doing some kind of tricked out Hawkstrider.

Also, I would like to show support for Northrend Gargoyles as a mount of some kind. They need to be shown more often.

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Mounts…

The Horde flying mount from flight masters with a San’layn reskin / repaint might work as a base mount, the Hawkbat (?) I think it is, would look about right recolored to San’layn Reds and Purples, maybe black piping or other colors to make a decently themed color palette?

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Vilesteed?

Reaching, perhaps, yet it seems fitting somehow…

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Hm…

The chance of Alliance San’layn I’d say could be possible, however my initial inclination would be to use my, if I ever own Blizzard, idea of opening cross faction questing through a series of short yet fun quest chains that allow one to earn the right to quest as the other faction, thus, open to both sides.

Now I realize this’d be reaching for some, however by making sure it’s not forced on players and only those that complete the quest chains can quest into the other side, that’d likely be okay.

So in the above, San’layn would be Horde, and can quest to earn the right to also support the Alliance.

Any feedback on this idea? The plan would be it is open to any and all players, and would have a minimum quest level pre level squish of about 50 to 55 to start…

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My only feedback is I don’t get why the San’layn would want to assist the Alliance anyways?

That said if you’re prefacing it as a matter of everyone gets to choose to support whatever side then eh why not?

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That’s more the idea.

If, and only if, a player decides to go of their own volition, to support the other side, Alliance goes to support Horde, Horde goes to support Alliance, in addition to their own starting side, then the quest line is the only open option.

The general premise is any race, any class can complete the quest chains, regardless of the starting state of any single player. Do the quests, you can go play as the other faction.

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Yeah thats fine imo.

Its kinda ridiculous that we’re forced to be Alliance or Horde depending on race right now since our characters canonically and regularly fight more for the sake of Azeroth than the factions.

Even during massive faction wars. Getting bogged down in it all made sense when we were smaller fish. Nowadays though… We’re the Champion of Azeroth, the Maw Walker. We’re unique. Why can’t we be neutral?

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