San’layn/vampyr Elf ALLIED RACE Coagulated Megathread of Ideas{Re-VAMPed} (Part 1)

That’s something we’ll have to see, yeah. Things are up in the air with how the faction war is… different? Now. I kind of wish they did more with that (like neutral guilds, man that’d be great). There’s many holes and hindrances to actually getting them as an allied race. Many have suggestions in this thread–but do we see lore to back it up yet? Nah.

So yeah, in terms of being likely, I don’t have my hopes crazy high, but I can still try with being reasonable and making suggestions as lore comes out.

They might if the VEs vouch for them, and depending if Kael is the leader he may have a whole “changed” outlook. It reeks of Nightborne situation all over again imo.

To me Nightborne were always Horde, embodying an air of superiority that just is too contrasting to NEs. Depending what Kael goes through they may have a evil for the greater good type vibe, that could be shoehorned for Alliance. And Kael to me is viewed by Blood Elves the way Thalyssra was viewed by Tyrande. So that part fits too.

I wouldn’t advocate them for Alliance. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it it’s more up in the air for what faction they could be with if that makes sense.

Yeah, the thing is in BfA there were neophytes and Dreven, and at this point I have no idea where they were going with that. Some say all were butchered, but I personally believe it’s reasonable to assume there’s more than there was on that boat. There’s also two missing blood princes.

Where any of them could be, and if there’s another group someplace else of either remaining Dreven’layn or following one of the Blood Princes… we have no idea.

Sadly, there’s so much we don’t know and so many holes that we can only suggest and assume x.x

They’d also need to explain what their relationship is with kaelthas as of late.

They are described as his most powerful and greatest followers. I’m not sure how easily they would abandon him considering they died for him.

Depends if there’s a splinter group like the Kelfin :stuck_out_tongue: But yeah, we’d again just have to wait and see. Plus, we also have to see Kael’thas’s thoughts on the new stuff that’s come up.

Again I thought Kael wasn’t a fan of the Alliance anymore at all due to Garithos? Or am I getting my lore mixed up?

Garithos definitely soured his mood on the Alliance… But he’s been dead for almost 8 or so years? Maybe he changed?

I suspect San’layn would end up Horde though.

Edit: what if we find Garithos too…

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And the whole point of the covenants I thought was shedding their worldly grudges, and prides etc. so perhaps him being in Ravendreth we are to help him with that?

I haven’t seen anything pointing him towards the Alliance.

angry vampyr noises

I bloody HATE Garithos and will be fine with butchering him again and again!

Edit: I’ll be back later but good discussions today guys!

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Kael hated the original orcs who had the demon blood. Others wanted to spare them but kael wanted no mercy.

They said Shadowlands where souls go to redeem themselves unless they’re in the maw, so maybe he’ll get a redemption story.

I’d imagine the sanlayn if given a choice would join their former race of the blood elves since they left Quel’thalas to go get revenge for their dead.

They’d most likely be super prideful if they still had the same mindset as when they left.

I think they’d be a cool race to have and play. Just right now there are too many holes in the lore that need filling. Hopefully shadowlands fills those.

And if I’m RPing a sanlayn it’s going to be the most zealous kael’thas lover in the world.

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100% this. And that’s why I’m also hoping for not just customization with no lore, because of these major… major holes. It’s the biggest thing staring us San’layn fans in the face right now for sure. All completely valid points.

All in all, I’m really really hoping for these holes to be filled, yeah. And I will never deny their existence either, because you’re 100% correct there.

It’s a little bit complicated though because he served on the Alliance of Lorderon. The seat of that Alliance is now the Undercity and it’s people are now the Forsaken. The Alliance in WoW is different alliance, though it has many of the same member states and the seat is Stormwind. The Horde in Warcraft 2 is a different Horde than Thrall’s Horde. That began in Warcraft 3 and was made up mostly of the children of the previous Horde, born on Azeroth into slavery. Which the Horde in WoW is the continuation of and poetically includes the citizens of the previous seat of the Alliance.

To be accurate about this after reading the wiki. The Sunfury who followed Kael were the same ones that went with him to Outland. As far as Silvermoon/Quel’thalas knew they were all still on the up and up. All we as Sin’dorei was that Kael was going with Illidan to find a way to reignite the Sunwell or find us a way to break the addiction.

But now after the dust had settled from TBC etc etc, we find ourselves back face to face with our old leader. Redemption could easily be possible depending on how blizzard plays it. As far as the San’layn they were remnants of Kael’s forces when Illidan and Kael attempted to attack the Lich King at Icecrown. I don’t see any reason why they would hate Kael, bad things happen in war. At least they are still alive and I think finding out their leader is also would be an even bigger call to rally to him. Especially with these new powers.

I’m curious if the San’layn will have anything to do with the pre-patch scourge invasions. They were commanders of the scourge under the Lich King, so they had some way to control the undead. Maybe they still do? Maybe that could also be an in to the horde again. The undead begin to attack horde cities and citizens and the San’layn show up offering their services to rout a large portion of the scourge away.

I’m curious to see what a sanlayn would do when faced off against a blood elf.

I understand ICC is gameplay so they had to fight.

But would a sanlayn kill the very thing they set off to protect?

Keep in mind they were under control of the Lich King when they fought us. Now they have free will. Which is why They reached out to the horde and Sylvannas.

So two things I wanted to talk about in this post: The potential for the four covenants as allied races (because of recent findings) and to talk more about San’layn as a customization for Blood Elves.

Lets start about the whole covenant allied race rumor.

I’ve seen the whole datamining thing with the covenant races apparently appearing in game files with the other allied races. My opinion is to agree that this is jumping the gun. No, I don’t think that because I want San’layn, but we don’t know anything about the four covenants, let alone their ambitions and if they can even leave the world they reside in (or will be able to after we get through the Shadowlands expansion).

Could they become allied races? Sure. Could they be put in those files for NPC purposes only? Also a possibility. Is it something to throw off data miners? Another possibility. If these were races on Azeroth in the living world, I’d be more inclined to think they might be upcoming. However, for entities in the afterlife that I have yet to interact with in the game and know nothing about (other than through datamining), it’s really hard for me to see them have some interest in the Alliance/Horde agenda and cross over to the living world to take up arms in their respective faction’s name.

I don’t really want to worry myself regarding the idea that Venthyr would act as a “replacement” for San’layn until we get more concrete details, but I will say that I would be among those disappointed if San’layn got tossed aside, lore and all, for another vampire-like race created to fill a role in a specific expansion. There is something that bothers me, in any MMORPG, where an existing race could be written playable, has backstory, and a fanbase as well and then said race gets rejected in favor of building a brand new race that is similar in some ways.

Then we have the worry about San’layn just being stapled onto Blood Elves as a customization option.

As it stands currently, we still don’t know how those customization races will function. Recently, Forest Troll customization options were found on Darkspear Trolls, and people have been citing the T&E interview with Danuser, a senior game designer and lead narrative designer, allegedly stating that you should assume that Trolls of those custiomzation options should be considered from that tribe, and to not let the starting experience dictate your character’s lore (referring to Wildhammers in particular).

It’s all fine and dandy to start seeing something like the Wildhammer wandering around in the Alliance, but what about the Troll Tribes? Last we saw them, they were still against the Horde, having fought them for many years. Do we even get one brief cutscene of something like Talanji getting the other Troll tribes to help the Horde thanks to some agreement they have with the Zandalari? Where would I even begin with Blood Trolls joining the Horde? Or are we just having cosplaying Darkspear Trolls where we have to make up our own lore?

Let me be clear in saying that there is nothing wrong with making up backstory for your character (I do that for all my characters), but to an extent, there does need to be something in-game to represent what were originally major antagonists suddenly being among the Horde.

All of this also applies to San’layn. I’ve gone on before a few times of my worries of them as a customization option, but as was stated by others, I want there to be actual lore and in-game representation of San’layn joining the Horde. Not viewing it as a game and “SHAZAM! Horde San’layn are totes a thing now!” with no in-game mention. No lore. No storyline. Just a thing now. It’s something I wouldn’t wish on any race people want playable.

I hope I don’t come across as someone kicking and screaming about not getting what I want. If people want covenant races playable, I don’t have a problem with that. I just want to see San’layn have a chance of joining the Horde and getting great storylines to go with it as opposed to their storylines being unanswered or ending up just as Sylvanas’ thugs because “ghouls before fools” or some malarkey like that.

I tried to word this as best as I could to convey my thoughts, so I hope noone takes offence to anything I wrote.

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I hope you’re right, but I’ve been so pessimistic lately. Blizzard pulls this random vampire race out of the blue, and it reminds me of the Void Elf situation. Everyone is constantly screaming “no more elves” and will say “Settle with Venthyr, that’s your vampires and they’re not elves”.

Thing is, as I said before, something can be monstrous and not look disgusting as heck. But it just seems like people favor really ugly vampires nowadays, I guess. It’s disheartening, and yeah, everyone has their preferences. It just feels so annoying to fall in love with lore from a long time ago then just have that trashed for random stuff pulled out of the blue that people obsessed with “Horde ugly” insist on playing.

And that’s the thing, they’ve been teasing and poking with San’layn on the regular, like in Legion with Stormheim and Tha’lena in the dungeon, then in BfA with that entire storyline.

Honestly, they could have saved us the trouble and said “Nope San’layn are extinct, stop getting your hopes up.” I now feel like we’re being strung along for this out of the blue vampire race, and people will say “Yep the San’layn people are given what they want with this random ugly vampire race, have fun.”

Glad it feels like I’m not alone in my thoughts at least, but I can’t help but feeling we’re the growing minority here. No matter how much work we put into this? People begging for the covenants to be an Allied Race will likely win out.

While Mechagnomes weren’t that popular, they were relevant, and they got added in. Vulpera were wildly popular, and they got added in. This community has been small, and the people entering the conversation now seem to be focused only on the Venthyr aspect. I don’t know.

And that’s the thing, you’re entirely correct. As a roleplayer, if my San’layn toons go to the cities, they are Kill on Sight. They need to hide their nature via illusions and enchantments in the cities. The roleplay community does not accept you playing a San’layn openly in cities, it makes no sense.

As stated earlier today, yeah, they’re currently a hated race. Pulling nothing out of the blue works for Wildhammer, and even trolls to some extent if we touch on Zandalari (It’s better than nothing) but San’layn? There’s so many holes.

So either we’re going to be pushed aside and forgotten, not have the holes filled and it’ll feel really silly, or actually get what we’re asking for. I don’t know.

Same here. I feel like I am coming across as that, though, but I’m just honestly sharing my opinion on the matter and again being pretty pessimistic at this point. If people want the covenant races, fine. It looks like more people want that than lore of the old anyway, which is a big shame but to be expected.

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But I’m only a Vampire Elf fan…

I ain’t got no love for these nosferatu lookin’ mother****ers.

If we just get a generic “Undead Elves” AR, I can see it including things like San’layn, Dark Rangers, and the new Undead NEs. And you basically just using character customization to distinguish which one you are.

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Could someone link me an image for the Undead Blood Elf skin? I’ve seen nothing about it. I’ve only seen those orangish-blackish vampire looking eyes, but nothing of skin textures. I’ve been looking forever Dx

Personally I like the Venthyr. But I also liked Nosferatu. I really like the male models and love the Bram Stoker’s hairstyle.

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I wouldn’t mind them giving Horde both San’layn and Venthyr but I don’t see that happening. I just want a vampire race for Horde though I’d love to have a beautiful side and a more monstrous bat side kind of like how worgen have a human and werewolf customization.

I remember ogres from the Warcraft RTS days and would’ve rather had them then BE’s. I was a little confused why we got BE’s instead of ogres tbh. BE’s could’ve been an AR thing or instead of pandaren imo.

Do NOT want these guys/gilgoblins as AR’s. One of the stupidest races imo. Rather have a mechagoblin. But I’m sure others want them.

I think if Blizz continues with the AR’s then they should start making them in order of most wanted and not newest. I prefer core races to AR’s. Instead of AR’s just give customizations that fill that role.

I’m am strongly against this. Alliance has werewolves so Horde should have vampires. Since the black and white movie days they have been at odds. I don’t care nor have seen Twilight this is about old conflicts in many, much better, movies and shows.

And yea, WoW is not reality but I would personally be upset if Alliance had werewolves and vampires. I think they need to keep the lines uncrossed and keep some conflict.

:+1: Vampires for the Horde

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