For those that want to exclusively talk about Venthyr and put down those who are interested in San’layn because they “look nice”, ignoring all other factors of course, feel free to take this suggestion. Obviously there’s no point in remaining in a thread centered around San’layn if it’s only populated by “Twilight fans”.
For others of whom have been mature and discussing matters back and forth, asking questions on lore, and coming up with ideas on how matters could be combined and all that in regards to the new and old vampires, I thank you. Also want to thank those who aren’t jumping to insulting people with different preferences, too.
Nah, I’m giving a suggestion to someone who obviously can’t take a hint. Moving on, though, because this is completely pointless…
I agree, it would suck. However, I recall someone saying something strange and I’m not sure if it’s backed by lore. But once you’ve been dead for a long time, the image of yourself changes. When you think of yourself, you think of your undead, forsaken self, after a while. Which might be the case for all intelligent undead, you would think. Plus, being ‘undead’ might be a ‘rebirth’ of sorts, just without the need to forget your past life or grow up again.
It’ll be interesting to see what they explore for sure.
3 of them are done, and self publishing is likely the choice, eventually, once I get things established more anyway. I’m working on 4 for National Writing month (with limited success due to very rough happenings in real life providing a delay).
I’d probably go with Amazon, yeah, it’s the smart choice. I’ve queried but been talked out of selling that ‘soul’ completely persay. Problem is I need to learn marketing, which is a hurdle in it of itself. But that’s something to address… when I get there.
…What if they made a “Vampire” allied race. Where it’d be like the Mah’gar…
San’layn option
Venthyr (if they can leave the shadowlands)
The gargoyles (though they could be a part of the Venthyr themselves, no idea really)
Vampire Vry’kul
Vampire humans
^in which this particular AR would be neutral. The thought just struck me. Now, obviously, Mah’gar just have different face-paint variations, but not dramatic features like we see with San’layn v. Venthyr v. Gargoyles (now, the gargoyles I’d roll in a heartbeat).
But…with Blizzard showcasing the dramatic differences, and mentioning 40+ more for blood elves alone, which one can assume applies to other races, perhaps they can do something like this with an allied race as well, where one banner encompasses all.
This way they’d have the same mechanics and such for racials (which one could assume would be flavor anyway). One problem I see, however, is all of them having the same voice, which might throw off some people, but then again it might not. Granted, a Vry’kul having an elf voice, or Nosferatu voice, or whatever would be odd. But a one-size-fits-all voice is possible, I think. I never really thought about that, to be honest.
Lorewise: If the Blood Curse is in fact linked to the Venthyr, this would make sense.
Edit: Also somewhat random but relevant, vampire bat reciprocal altruism is really neat. I wonder if Blizzard will look into the vampire bat for more vampire lore. Like Hi’reek. Bring our bat loa back!
Speaking of Hi’reek, another thought occurred to me. Do you think we’d see him in the Night Fae realm, or the vampire realm, because he did a bad?
I was thinking this as well. It would make sense to reforge it since we need to essentially bind the rift caused by Slyvanas. But we could also see the possible reforging of a Frostmourne-like weapon as well to act as a conduit for Bolvar allowing him to fully draw the effects of anima.
Didn’t answer my real question though. What race will Alliance get as the equivalent? If you think after getting Vulpera. Alliance is going to sit quietly if you get another race horde asked for while they get ignored again then you clearly are delusional. If anything it will clearly expose bias of Blizzard.
And talking about assumptions. This whole topic is based on assumptions.
I could see us possibly getting the Kyrian(without wings) or the Night Fye. We know Uther is in the bastion somewhat assisting the Kyrian there, he could act somewhat of a an ambassador between the mortal and non mortal beings there. Same goes for the Night Fye, since now we know Tyrande will be in Ardenweald seeking answers.
Now that i think of it, it is odd that we have two people that could represent the Alliance (Uther and Tyrande) and two people that could represent the Horde (Kael’thas and Draka) in the Shadowlands.
I’m excited to see how the story plays out next Xpac.
Why not, would make sense since we have souls from both the Horde and Alliance in each land. They could convince the denizens of the shadow-lands to join our cause. And for those who argue that they can’t leave the afterlife…who said they couldn’t? I mean with the Venthyr and etc… The Arbitor is the one who calls the shots in the Shadowlands, I see no reason why she wouldn’t let them leave since we are assisting them. That’s just my two sense in the matter.
Plus, it would make sense for someone to keep tabs on us just incase another nut-job causes another rift.
This is the part i’m having trouble with, cause i can see a few things that could stop them from coming over to Azeroth.
1: We seal up the veil that Sylvanas tore apart.
2: They might only have a physical body in the Shadowlands.
3: The devs said the covenants are being starved of Anima because all of the souls are now going into them maw. If they do come over won’t all of them need to feed on the people living here and if so will they have to kill people like the DK’s do?
What i’m guessing (at least for the Venthyr) is that a deal will be struck between us, Kael’thas and by whoever is trying to take control of the covenant.
This deal will involve restoring the covenant to full strength and helping whoever we will be dealing with to gain control over the covenant.
In return they help us in the Shadowlands and allow Kael’thas to go on the condition that he soulbinds himself to their leader. This of course would give Kael’thas a portion of the Vynthry’s power and make him more vampiric. (https://wow.gamepedia.com/Soulbinding)
The other part of the deal is that when they send him back he must send them souls from Azeroth. But as strong as Kael’thas is he can’t just go on a killing spree and send a tidal wave of souls back to the shadowlands on his own. (ok maybe he could but we would just wind up putting him back in the ground)
He’s going to need help. This is where i’m not sure what would be better.
1: He goes and finds the few surviving San’layn and brings them into the horde under his rule.
2: He starts turning the willing (or not so willing) into new San’layn.
Of course Blizzard could just have put him and the others into the Shadowlands cause they thought it would be a cool idea. (https://i.imgur.com/wqMWK7z.mp4)
But i’m choosing to believe that they put Kael’thas former leader of the Blood elves into the one vampire covenant for a reason.
Fierce. Mad respect for you. And Those books sound fascinating. Something about a Sanlayn type who can suddenly rend flesh. and rip stuff apart is amazing.
The Frozen Gnome Approves!
Also, I really hope they find a way to brinh Sanlayn in. I mostlly lurk but ever since I saw yhe video of models and customizations(I believe you introduced the models) I have been fascinated with this.
Also, the ideas you all have for Sanlayn are far from pretty and sparkling Twilight.
Thank you so much, that makes my day I’m currently working on a chapter now.
I don’t think I’ve ever shared art of my non-WoW characters on here, but here’s a big favorite people seem to enjoy:
Picture link
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508788039477362708/641719892017676319/Ares_with_background.png
Credit to Harcloniter!
(This fellow is Ares, he’s a royal vampire that rips apart people with summoned chains. He’s also a protagonist, but every protagonist in my book is antihero in nature and has killed quite a few. I write dark stuff, so there usually won’t be a character that hasn’t been extremely violent at some point or will be in the future. Again, not Blizzard related at all, he’s my own personal OC among many! Also note, my vampires don’t have fangs, rather every single one of their teeth is jagged.)
Of course, my vampires aren’t elves or San’layn, rather a different living biological species (depending on what kind of vampire you’r talking about). I just started my compendium and have an extremely long way to go (it’s an encyclopedia on my personal lore for my created urban fantasy world and magic) but this page goes into detail on what I did with them: https://www.wattpad.com/796015999-kingdoms-of-blood-compendium-living-vampires (this also isn’t the novel itself, rather the world I built for it in an urban fantasy setting.)
Of course, Blizzard’s vampires are undead (of which I have those too, but…that’s complicated) however I really like how they’re doing it. I am really excited to see what else they add to their vampire lore through exploring Venthyr, and my biggest question is whether or not the Gargoyle people are another variant of Venthyr, or are a different species.
I do hope Blizzard takes inspiration from the vampire bat biology too, which is fascinating. I was extremely excited about Hi’reek, seeing his design and hearing his squeaky voice was a treat. I hope we get to see him in Shadowlands too. The most appropriate area would be Revendreth (think i’m spelling that right, I still need to get that down, it took me half a year to get Zandalar correct). However, since he’s a loa, he’s most likely in the Night fae realm.
Actually this entire topic is speculation based off of existing lore, and yes, a few assumptions on what may be to come.
Rather than a simple “If no x then no y so there!” assumption built on little more than a “well I want x!”.
Actually supernaturally beautiful (both male and female) vampires is in a number of stories that far predate Twilight.
Twilight just happens to get most of the attention on it because of how relatively recent it is, and how (in several ways) outright dumb it is.
But hey, if you’re the one to keep saying “LOL TWILIGHT”, then I guess we know who the actual Twilight fan in here might actually be.
I’m aware I just really can’t stand the beautiful, tea and ball party type vampires. They’re so weak and degenerate. I like the vampires that are true to their nature and don’t hide behind a mask.
I wish more were like my man Abhorash here…
Abhorash was once the greatest warrior of Lahmia, and a man who held honor above all.
He was noble to the point that he had to be tricked into drinking the Elixir of Damnation by Queen Neferata, and he initially refused to feed upon his own people - instead choosing to violently fight his own fury, until his thirst grew so great that he slaughtered a dozen people in a single-night orgy of violence .
Upon regaining his composure, he shed manly tears for the fallen he had killed to save himself, and vowed only to prey upon bandits, raiders and other criminals - not the people of his homeland, nor the people of the homelands of Lahmia’s neighbors. He attempted to convince his fellow vampires to do the same, since he worried that if they did not, it would turn the citizenry and the neighboring kingdoms against them.
Turned out, the man was freaking prophetic, because they didn’t listen and guess what happened .
The Lahmia Court’s excesses done pissed off the Kings of the Desert Kingdoms, and the Vampires came under attack. Abhorash, despite his opposition to what the court had caused, remained at the forefront of Lahmia’s defense, kicking massive amounts of butt and cutting down foes by the hundreds. But as powerful and peerless as he was, he was only one warrior against an endless tide of vengeful Rasetrans, Lybarans and Numasi, and Lahmia fell, burned to the ground. As the Vampires fled Lahmia, Abhorash cursed their arrogance, and set off on a self-imposed exile, bearing only his weapons and armour and accompanied only by his closest Vampire retainers. Like the other vampires, he was cursed by Nagash for the failure of the vampires to defend him to be weak to the sun, be unable to swim across running water, having no reflection, and whatever other random crap came to mind. He taught his followers that skill-at-arms and honor in combat were the only measures of greatness, and that they would feed, from this point on, only on the blood of skilled fighters, as only the unworthy fed upon the weak. They then travelled, seeking worthy foes to vanquish.
At one point or another, Abhorash came upon the lair of a great dragon, and, against all advice, entered it, engaging the beast in battle by himself, as Abhorash was seeking a worthy foe. When the battle ended, Abhorash was triumphant, and drank deeply from the dragon’s blood. To his surprise, it cured his constant thirst - he maintained his Vampiric form, and had no need to drink blood any further. At that point, Abhorash told his followers that his search had ended: He found his answer. He commanded his followers to go into the world and master the arts of combat, and seek the blood of the strongest of foes, so they too, might overcome their thirst. When they had all succeeded, then, and only then, would Abhorash call them back to him - and only then would their real war begin.
This gentlemen, is how you Lawful Evil, or possibly Lawful Neutral, as his exact goals beyond becoming the greatest warrior are left vague. The mere fact that he at least tried to be decent places him above pretty much every single Vampire except possibly Vlad and Ushoran.
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I’m currently working on a chapter now.