San’layn/vampyr Elf ALLIED RACE Coagulated Megathread of Ideas{Re-VAMPed} (Part 1)

There is a way to word it correctly to make them work major and i meant MAJOR problem is!, where are they? all we know is from the Alliance War Campaign is they were being trained by Drev and we killed them plus him but didn’t list any others, now if we had San’layn like fresh ones who didn’t wanna go necromancy or really wanted blood magic (like those 2 in blasted lands) that means fresh converts from the Blood Elves.

Next option we have are people stricken with the curse who are frightened since its a unique case of undeath and might not cause the same mental strains early as opposed to later on who were basically like most of the Horde races given false information and lead towards how the Horde operates > morales and given even her loyalist Forsaken were tricked (cept those we’ll see later on who stay with her) its not hard to see the San’layn feeling hurt directly by Sylvanas for giving them false hope and ding ding heres were the player questline comes in.

Again this requires the notion they ‘exist’ in the Horde still and its clearly unknown at this point.

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Yeah this is a pretty good point. We all know that Dreven died on the ship. What if the San’layn were trying to do what they could to just get a home and so were working with the warchief at the time? I mean they weren’t involved with anything other than fighting the Alliance, and we were at war at the time–so most everyone in the Horde was as well. It was very early on and prior to her getting even worse, they just… Vanished.

I for one would be very angry to discover I was lead on with false hope only to end up a disposable tool. San’layn could be like tink tink .

But yes assuming they’re still out there in number. Regardless, those are some good points.

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This is disturbingly high quality

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Actually i just thought of a third option that comes off that second one i listed, we know Sylvanas is a BTCH when she doesn’t get her own way so if she has loyalist San’layn with her forces and they happen to attack Silvermoon or a Blood Elf convoy army/patrol who end up managing to survive/push back but also end up infected by the Blood Curse (more so if innocents happened to be involved here) this opens up the Rokhan giving them a chance option back on the table.
Plus the questline opens up finding a cure or a way to surprise the Blood Hunger problem similar to what you see in other Media and even the Worgen Curse.

EDIT FOR THE LASS ABOVE ME: Be careful listing player feedback, content or etc as high quality, thats basically insulting a Publisher and Developer to there very soul and they’ll react violently for no proper reason. xP (sorry i couldn’t help it, some developers and publishers are straight up stupid in there reactions to players doing better and it amuses me)

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If the next xpac is all about death stuff like many believe I see San’layn as a real possibility.

Darkfallen and Necromancers would instantly make it the next legion.

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Well we can only hope Calia stays away from the Horde.

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This gave me some ideas, which is very good because the devs might still be looking at these threads. I’m not sure if they are, but they could be like “Well we like these ideas but don’t really have a way to implement them, so let’s see what people come up with storywise as a solution”. It could also be wishful thinking, buuuut… any constructive feedback is good, you never know who’s watching.

So this gave me the idea of San’layn being like Mah’gar, in which they have covens rather than clans. I’m going to be making up names for this.
Banshee Coven: San’layn loyal to Sylvanas, who do her bidding and are in the same vein(hah) as Forsaken Loyalists.
Newbloods: San’layn that are newly created, innocents attacked and turned by Sylvanas and the Banshee coven. This coven is secret, and they’re not happy with the situation. They were loyal to the Horde prior to the attack on them, and want revenge for being turned into these monsters. They also likely want to learn how exactly to cope with this blood curse.
Scourge Coven: Stray San’layn Covens that still are loyal to the scouge and/or Bolvar, most likely wildcards.
Progressive Coven: Old San’layn working from the shadows that, like DK, want to fight for their people and have since Wrath, but have no home due to their race generally being hated. This could include the missing Blood Princes (which could also be in Scourge coven, or with Sylv, it really doesn’t matter. But I favor them here.) This coven wouldn’t be happy that their San’layn were used as tools by Sylvanas, and that their chances of getting a new home in the Horde were destroyed by her. These could also be the key, if they do happen to approach in a peaceful manner, to helping the Newbloods adapt to their condition.

I’m not really a fan of curving the blood addiction, only because I see that as an integral part of vampires. Rather, I’d love to see the San’layn be like Death Knights, where they direct their need to feed upon enemies. Even if the Horde and Alliance stop fighting, there will always be enemies other than each other, so they will always have a food source.

Yeah that’s a pretty good point, and it does seem like things are leaning that way. It’s why I’ve decided to hold out hope for Blizzcon.

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I personally still think that San’layn could join the story.

For one, both them and the Horde where used by Sylvanas. They could team up to track her down.

There’s also the chance that Sylvanas could recruit more to her cause and a group of them might go “I don’t think I want play along with this crazy lady.” and let aid to the Horde as a faction. Not unlike the mechagnomes.

Also I am still seeing people ask for it on Twitter and Youtube so it’s not just this thread. The more support the better.

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If we do go to shadowlands Slyvanas might be illidan 2.0. You never know. I don’t mind an Illidan 2.0 with her. I think it’s nice to have chaotic good/nuetral characters, and her influence does not have to be direct to help us.

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Here are some of my ideas.

9.0 shadowlands. If leaks are true… (seems like story is adjusted along the way depending on community feedback)
we all die anyway we will see many who died in the next plane-
-san’layn are using blood magic which is shadow based. A perfect expansion to include them would be a shadow based one

  • Tyrande may do something in 8.3. Having an opposing dark moon san’layn force to oppose them would be cool.
  • If Slyvanas is playing 4d chest and we still remain allied in the end (Illidan 2.0) then they and more forces of death may still decide to join our causes.
  • The light has also been shown to be a force to deal with in Legion so darker races may choose to join in those times.
  • At the very least we could get cosmetic options for blood elves to have San’layn skins through a new ritual or something. Similar to the night warrior. That way we can get our beloved dark ranger themes.

I don’t think San’layn are off the table. But maybe I’m just being optimistic.

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Yeah I keep seeing people bring up these points and I have to say, they are very good ones. Perhaps that will come to fruition and there’s still some hope. Especially since you said…

which I had no idea was a thing. I thought that San’layn were all but forgotten, but people are still talking about them other than here? Wow, that’s great! I had no idea, like I said, and it makes me smile a bit know we aren’t alone.

I don’t think so anymore either. Like I said, I’ll stick it out to Blizzcon. So disregard that post saying I’m heading out, for now, anyway. You all and those on discord have made some very good arguments that I didn’t open my mind to at first or think about.

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Didn’t we kill all of them in Wrath?

Have you not played BfA? If you haven’t and aren’t looking to be spoiled for the war campaign, don’t read below. Also that’s a very false rumor someone started spreading that was never confirmed :stuck_out_tongue:


San'layn in the BfA war campaign

But anyway, they come back in greater number in 8.0. However, those on the ship in the Alliance War campaign were killed off. Currently it’s unknown as to their activity, if there is any, but there’s been no confirmation that they were all killed in BfA either.

Also, there’s two missing blood princes from wrath itself we never killed or saw outside of that vision with the Arugal questline.

I explain this all in depth in the first post as well, if you want every little detail, but this is all a TLDR.

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Blizzard is going to troll both factions by giving them to the Alliance if they get added.

I hope not, it’d make no sense at all :stuck_out_tongue: Considering the Alliance personally sent out to slaughter them and deemed them the ‘major threat’. Pretty sure Dreven made the first move though in devouring that gnome, but I am not entirely positive on that, forgot the specific details.

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I’ve had some time to digest over the events in 8.2.5, and while I’m not too fond of the events, I’m feeling a bit better.

Generally speaking, I knew that eventually, Sylvanas was going to leave the Horde in some way. I think some of my disappointment was the method of it. What I expected was something…possibly a bit more grand, like the Horde coming together to battle and throw out Sylvanas, and instead…it ends more or less on a bit of a damp squib. I could go on, but I’m trying to speak generally and don’t want to ramble more than I should over recent events.

Instead, let’s talk about San’layn. Going forward, I can see two possible scenarios:

  1. San’layn don’t appear at all for the rest of the expansion in any way, shape, or form.

  2. San’layn are among the undead mooks that are following Sylvanas still for…reasons.

I’ve written at length multiple times about how I hope that San’layn don’t end up as jobbers and loot pinatas if we ever got Sylvanas as a raid target. Seeing some undead still loyal to Sylvanas after the events of 8.2.5, which so far appear to be some banshees and various generic Horde chained up and paraded in Orgimmar, has me a bit concerned. It has been clear that those in the Horde loyal to Sylvanas are to be forgiven, likely used as a reason to keep player characters who went the Sylvanas-loyal route to still be in the Horde.

It is currently unclear what makes up whatever forces Sylvanas has, such as if there are any other loyal Horde characters or any mooks other than banshees. So the worry that the San’layn would just be put in as mooks continues to rise.

At this point, and generally speaking, I would like to suggest that caution be utilized when we get to seeing data mining of 8.3 or whatever the next expansion is. Chances are, if we do see San’layn datamined in some fashion, it will cause some speculation, possibly some panic, and also a lot of worry depending on what we find.

Let’s assume that we do see San’layn mobs or NPC’s that appear to be part of Sylvanas’ forces. Two outcomes are likely:

  1. They act like loot pinatas and jobbers simply for the sake of having a variety of different types of undead that are loyal to Sylvanas to the end because it’s just convenient to implement them as such, and may disappear after current events pass. Obviously, this is not preferable in any way, shape, or form, and would be incredibly disappointing.

  2. If they possibly are planned to be an allied race, I’ve mentioned the idea that they could be pretending to be part of Sylvanas’ undead posse, only to be relaying information and plans to the Horde because in order to survive, it makes more sense to assist the Horde and also to help stop Sylvanas. This in particular seeing her stance towards the Horde in general and likely seeing her as a Lich Queen of sorts. Working under another form of lich royalty is likely very low on their list of fun, happy, and healthy activities. Not to mention the idea of reconnecting with the Blood Elves of Silvermoon would also make a good reason to stick with the Horde.

It’s hard for me to imagine any other scenario. Even if we look at rumors of Sylvanas being the hero we need but don’t deserve to save the world (of Warcraft!) again, that could lead to Horde-friendly San’layn…I personally don’t see those rumors coming into fruition at all.

If in the event they remain loyal to Sylvanas to the end, sure the Horde could still be open to letting the San’layn still join, but I do feel this direction would be another damp squib just put in for the sake of it. I’d prefer if they were undercover for the Horde instead, as that would make better writing and a bit more rewarding story-wise, in my opinion.

There is also the notion that we may be heading to either faction neutrality or the abolishing of factions altogether. While the latter is hard for me to imagine, mostly because it would take a lot of work to revamp all the areas to reflect this change, it’s still possible that San’layn would still work as a Horde race in a faction neutral setting.

Sure, we had Dreven perform an exploding Gnomesketball, but other Horde members have done worse and Anduin still wants peace between the factions. If anything, we can still see a more sympathetic side if San’layn are written as having been former slaves of the Lich King and just do what they can to survive. If Anduin can accept the Forsaken, undead humans, despite what they’ve done, then why can’t the same be done for the San’layn as former elves from Silvermoon?

It’s currently 31 days until Blizzcon at the time of this post, and I’d be surprised if we got any sort of info on what is to come before then. It’s going to be a painful wait as we get closer and closer, and this Blizzcon can make or break it for a lot of people.

I am unsure whether San’layn being a no-show in the near future or them working for Sylvanas still is better, though they could still be written in the latter to not be braindead slaves. Still, I can’t help but be worried about the direction the story is heading.

Regardless of what happens and what we find in future datamining, I’ll try to reserve judgement until I see the final product. No matter what happens, I still support San’layn as a Horde race and will continue to support them. We’ll tread through the muck together, whatever fate may be.

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Yeah, I’ve had some time to cool off after my initial outrage and see reason. None of this means indeed that San’layn are off the table if they too see themselves as having been used as tools by Sylvanas, which is entirely possible. That in fact could be a connecting point they have with the Horde.

Yeah, you got that right. x.x Sometimes no news is better than bad news, granted I think tons of us are hungering for any of it too. That vampire night elf thing just seems to be a halloween thing, nothing all that interesting (so I think). A ton of people were talking about the prospect of undead night elves when that was datamined though, including us. I think they know that whatever they put out, it’ll cause a huge amount of discussion at this point.

Thanks for the continued support. We’re hanging in there, I suppose. Some news prior to Halloween would be nice. We’ve seen stuff on 8.3 being a vendor build lately, and everyone’s buzzing about the prospect of an 8.3 reveal or stream soon.

Now time for some wishful fantasy, brought to you by yours truly, Falls, because it’s just that. A fantasy. But…imagine.

In the stream, some allied races for 8.3 could be announced. Vulpera, mechagnomes…and San’layn (with whatever pairing happens with the Alliance).

Then, on Halloween or near it, we get a sneak peak at what they’d look like and more on their lore.

Wouldn’t that be a dream come true for vampire and San’layn fans, eh? Even a stream close to Halloween that has San’layn content would be so interesting, and appropriate, of course. Build up that hype Blizzard! (If I’m ever right in these wishful thinkings I’m going to be like beyond surprised).

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If San’layn are added I truly hope that they decide to use the Blood Elf model and not the Night Elf model.

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Agreed!
ALL the San’layn I remember, especially in the Northrend quests, have been Blood Elves!
Let it remain so!
Släl.
:beer:

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Still rooting for San’layn or Dark Rangers. Just because Sylvanas fled the coop (Damn you Sylvanas, I still like you as a character, you’re making it hard) doesn’t mean we won’t see either San’layn or Dark Rangers. If the Blizzcon key art is anything to go by, Sylvanas will be an important part of the next expansion.

Characters on the Blizzcon key art precipitating an expansion announcing are almost always important in the coming expansion.

Wrath = Sindragosa
Cata = Deathwing
MOP = Garrosh? (I think)
WoD = Grom?
Legion = Illidan
BFA = Jaina (Look how important she’s been)

If Sylvanas is instrumental in the next expansion (probably on the box art too, sorry Sylvanas haters) then it’ll be an undeath themed expansion. If there’s an undead expansion, that gives San’layn a good chance of being introduced as an allied race. If Sylvanas is on the box art (as in the centerpiece) she might bring Dark Rangers who break away from her like Death Knights.

Wrath = Lich King = Death Knights
MoP = Chen Stormstout = Monk
Legion = Illidan = Demon Hunters

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