Not to mention...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440659490468134933/499713288490450974/unknown.png The blood ritual
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440659490468134933/500366317279248414/unknown.png The blood ritual sky;
What could these be used for? They seem more relevant to San'layn than Blood Trolls considering the sky seems to be in Northrend. Could this be a ritual to bring Lana'thel back? Or perhaps create a new Blood King or Blood Queen? We should share ideas on what it could be and cool things that we'd love to see.
I, for one, think it would be a awesome to be used to make a new King or Queen. If I had a choice, I'd say they'd select one of those missing Blood Princes and perform a ritual on him. Imagine how cool an animation would be to see blood cover him entirely, and suddenly his wings form around him. Eventually he would open them to spray blood everywhere, with the ritual complete, and we'd have our new Blood King.
Bringing back Lana'thel, of course, would also be a neat concept.
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bring back our one true Blood Queen, and her daughter too of course, allow not any imposters to sit upon her throne.10/12/2018 11:58 AMPosted by FallynnBringing back Lana'thel, of course, would also be a neat concept.
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10/12/2018 11:58 AMPosted by FallynnNot to mention...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440659490468134933/499713288490450974/unknown.png The blood ritual
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440659490468134933/500366317279248414/unknown.png The blood ritual sky;
What could these be used for? They seem more relevant to San'layn than Blood Trolls considering the sky seems to be in Northrend. Could this be a ritual to bring Lana'thel back? Or perhaps create a new Blood King or Blood Queen? We should share ideas on what it could be and cool things that we'd love to see.
I, for one, think it would be a awesome to be used to make a new King or Queen. If I had a choice, I'd say they'd select one of those missing Blood Princes and perform a ritual on him. Imagine how cool an animation would be to see blood cover him entirely, and suddenly his wings form around him. Eventually he would open them to spray blood everywhere, with the ritual complete, and we'd have our new Blood King.
Bringing back Lana'thel, of course, would also be a neat concept.
With the way things are going with the core game right now, and the playerbase's reaction to overall product, my main fear is that whatever is being planned for San'layn right now will ultimately end up on the cutting room floor. We saw this happen with WoD. Blizzard isn't above just jumping ship and moving on to something else if things aren't going so well. We lost an entire raid tier, huge chunks of story, and who knows what else. The comparisons between BFA and WoD are already abundant on GD.
Allied races are not seen as a crucial expansion feature any more, and we've already gotten 8 of them. Continuing to release allied races will guarantee a subscription from me for the foreseeable future, but not everyone thinks that way, and Blizzard knows this.
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10/12/2018 11:58 AMPosted by FallynnNot to mention...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440659490468134933/499713288490450974/unknown.png The blood ritual
&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440659490468134933/500366317279248414/unknown.png The blood ritual sky;
What could these be used for? They seem more relevant to San'layn than Blood Trolls considering the sky seems to be in Northrend. Could this be a ritual to bring Lana'thel back? Or perhaps create a new Blood King or Blood Queen? We should share ideas on what it could be and cool things that we'd love to see.
I, for one, think it would be a awesome to be used to make a new King or Queen. If I had a choice, I'd say they'd select one of those missing Blood Princes and perform a ritual on him. Imagine how cool an animation would be to see blood cover him entirely, and suddenly his wings form around him. Eventually he would open them to spray blood everywhere, with the ritual complete, and we'd have our new Blood King.
Bringing back Lana'thel, of course, would also be a neat concept.
That actually has me worried.
Rituals in WoW usually end in 2 ways.
Either you are defending an NPC that is casting it or you're killing the NPCs and interrupting it.
Lets hope its the former.
Also... Did I call it on the Blood Well?
10/12/2018 01:53 PMPosted by ArronWith the way things are going with the core game right now, and the playerbase's reaction to overall product, my main fear is that whatever is being planned for San'layn right now will ultimately end up on the cutting room floor. We saw this happen with WoD. Blizzard isn't above just jumping ship and moving on to something else if things aren't going so well. We lost an entire raid tier, huge chunks of story, and who knows what else. The comparisons between BFA and WoD are already abundant on GD.
Allied races are not seen as a crucial expansion feature any more, and we've already gotten 8 of them. Continuing to release allied races will guarantee a subscription from me for the foreseeable future, but not everyone thinks that way, and Blizzard knows this.
They might make a new "batch" of Allied Races to try and lure some people back.
The only true BFA Allied Races where Mag'har and Darkiron.
That actually has me worried.
Rituals in WoW usually end in 2 ways.
Either you are defending an NPC that is casting it or you're killing the NPCs and interrupting it.
Lets hope its the former.
perhaps it is a part of their recruitment quests?
They could be making more blood princes with it.
10/12/2018 11:58 AMPosted by FallynnNot to mention...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440659490468134933/499713288490450974/unknown.png The blood ritual
&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440659490468134933/500366317279248414/unknown.png The blood ritual sky;
What could these be used for? They seem more relevant to San'layn than Blood Trolls considering the sky seems to be in Northrend. Could this be a ritual to bring Lana'thel back? Or perhaps create a new Blood King or Blood Queen? We should share ideas on what it could be and cool things that we'd love to see.
I, for one, think it would be a awesome to be used to make a new King or Queen. If I had a choice, I'd say they'd select one of those missing Blood Princes and perform a ritual on him. Imagine how cool an animation would be to see blood cover him entirely, and suddenly his wings form around him. Eventually he would open them to spray blood everywhere, with the ritual complete, and we'd have our new Blood King.
Bringing back Lana'thel, of course, would also be a neat concept.
Ooh, that is deliciously intriguing. I hope this mean something. Keep up the good work.
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Tons of juicy and tantalizing stuff for us ahead, by the looks of it. And my glorious "told you so" to those who claimed that they all died with Dreven. To me, that assumption was always so silly. Every single San'layn on that boat? And we even see live San'layn friendly to us still casting after the Alliance fled if we go to the broken ship? Nah, I knew that claim would be destroyed soon enough.
What powers is the vampyr in wow going to have? Could that blood mist and the rituals be a key in learning that? Do you guys think San'layn could be a good way for Horde to take in blood magic to fight fire with fire against the blood trolls?
What powers is the vampyr in wow going to have? Could that blood mist and the rituals be a key in learning that? Do you guys think San'layn could be a good way for Horde to take in blood magic to fight fire with fire against the blood trolls?
10/13/2018 09:56 AMPosted by FallynnTons of juicy and tantalizing stuff for us ahead, by the looks of it. And my glorious "told you so" to those who claimed that they all died with Dreven. To me, that assumption was always so silly. Every single San'layn on that boat? And we even see live San'layn friendly to us still casting after the Alliance fled if we go to the broken ship? Nah, I knew that claim would be destroyed soon enough.
What powers is the vampyr in wow going to have? Could that blood mist and the rituals be a key in learning that? Do you guys think San'layn could be a good way for Horde to take in blood magic to fight fire with fire against the blood trolls?
Not necessarily the blood trolls, as I have a feeling their story is done as of Uldir. However, the San'layn would definitely annoy the Night Elves. Blood magic is a "tortured" version of life magic, i.e. the druidism that Night Elves hold up as the core of their culture.
The Horde likes antagonizing the Night Elves.
I wonder if Blizzard is going for an Undead Elf superset Allied Race.
Like Mag'har you'd be able to go with Dark Ranger or San'layn... Not sure how to reconcile the inclusion of Undead Night Elves though.
Like Mag'har you'd be able to go with Dark Ranger or San'layn... Not sure how to reconcile the inclusion of Undead Night Elves though.
10/13/2018 10:46 AMPosted by Rorrand10/13/2018 09:56 AMPosted by FallynnTons of juicy and tantalizing stuff for us ahead, by the looks of it. And my glorious "told you so" to those who claimed that they all died with Dreven. To me, that assumption was always so silly. Every single San'layn on that boat? And we even see live San'layn friendly to us still casting after the Alliance fled if we go to the broken ship? Nah, I knew that claim would be destroyed soon enough.
What powers is the vampyr in wow going to have? Could that blood mist and the rituals be a key in learning that? Do you guys think San'layn could be a good way for Horde to take in blood magic to fight fire with fire against the blood trolls?
Not necessarily the blood trolls, as I have a feeling their story is done as of Uldir. However, the San'layn would definitely annoy the Night Elves. Blood magic is a "tortured" version of life magic, i.e. the druidism that Night Elves hold up as the core of their culture.
The Horde likes antagonizing the Night Elves.
Hm good point. I actually wonder if that point WOULD qualify them to be druids. After all, vampires do shapeshift in common mythology. I know it's unlikely but it still would be so neat if Blizzard could pull it off.
10/13/2018 09:56 AMPosted by FallynnTons of juicy and tantalizing stuff for us ahead, by the looks of it. And my glorious "told you so" to those who claimed that they all died with Dreven. To me, that assumption was always so silly. Every single San'layn on that boat? And we even see live San'layn friendly to us still casting after the Alliance fled if we go to the broken ship? Nah, I knew that claim would be destroyed soon enough.
What powers is the vampyr in wow going to have? Could that blood mist and the rituals be a key in learning that? Do you guys think San'layn could be a good way for Horde to take in blood magic to fight fire with fire against the blood trolls?
I've always found that argument (they were all killed on the boat!) to be a very weak one. So despite the blood princes we *know* are missing from Northrend (who sure weren't on the boat) they think ALL san'layn are now 'dead'? Nope. Wishful thinking on their part.
The other weak argument is the 'they don't show up at all in the Horde war campaign' one.
1) We've played through the FIRST PART of the war campaign. There are more parts coming and it's far from over. Now the san'layn part of the *Alliance* war campaign could be over, and maybe our characters will be patting themselves on the backs sure they've ended the vampire menace and after the raid in Dazar'alor Sylvanas uses the loss as justification for 'officially' recruiting the San'layn to bolster their ranks (there WAS that datamined dialogue with Rokhan and Talanji talking about the San'layn having a place in the Horde).
2) Even Dreven being killed by the Alliance doesn't have to be the end of *him*....Keleseth, Valanar, and Taldaram were all killed in Northrend, but Lana'thel was able to bring them back for the ICC fight. Vampires (and undead in general) coming back from the dead is sort of their thing.
Frankly a tiny, petty corner of my mind is hoping we eventually get San'layn AND some form of Quel'dorei just to spite all the 'no more elves'ers XD
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10/14/2018 09:41 AMPosted by Mardrigala10/13/2018 09:56 AMPosted by FallynnTons of juicy and tantalizing stuff for us ahead, by the looks of it. And my glorious "told you so" to those who claimed that they all died with Dreven. To me, that assumption was always so silly. Every single San'layn on that boat? And we even see live San'layn friendly to us still casting after the Alliance fled if we go to the broken ship? Nah, I knew that claim would be destroyed soon enough.
What powers is the vampyr in wow going to have? Could that blood mist and the rituals be a key in learning that? Do you guys think San'layn could be a good way for Horde to take in blood magic to fight fire with fire against the blood trolls?
I've always found that argument (they were all killed on the boat!) to be a very weak one. So despite the blood princes we *know* are missing from Northrend (who sure weren't on the boat) they think ALL san'layn are now 'dead'? Nope. Wishful thinking on their part.
The other weak argument is the 'they don't show up at all in the Horde war campaign' one.
1) We've played through the FIRST PART of the war campaign. There are more parts coming and it's far from over. Now the san'layn part of the *Alliance* war campaign could be over, and maybe our characters will be patting themselves on the backs sure they've ended the vampire menace and after the raid in Dazar'alor Sylvanas uses the loss as justification for 'officially' recruiting the San'layn to bolster their ranks (there WAS that datamined dialogue with Rokhan and Talanji talking about the San'layn having a place in the Horde).
2) Even Dreven being killed by the Alliance doesn't have to be the end of *him*....Keleseth, Valanar, and Taldaram were all killed in Northrend, but Lana'thel was able to bring them back for the ICC fight. Vampires (and undead in general) coming back from the dead is sort of their thing.
Frankly a tiny, petty corner of my mind is hoping we eventually get San'layn AND some form of Quel'dorei just to spite all the 'no more elves'ers XD
Tbh I'd be fine with just adding these two races and then close the book on elf related ARs. 3 for each faction seems like a pretty good trade off IMO. Just because I main a BE doesn't mean I play only elves lol. For example, I'd kill to play a Mok'nathal.
But going back to your original point, I agree. The scourge had many ways of bringing back fallen characters in WoTLK. Hell, they did it on a regular basis! I remember the final boss in Utgarde Keep being brought back directly after we killed him too. Ingvar I think his name was.
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If you want to play a vampire then ESO is waiting on you.
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I've always found that argument (they were all killed on the boat!) to be a very weak one. So despite the blood princes we *know* are missing from Northrend (who sure weren't on the boat) they think ALL san'layn are now 'dead'? Nope. Wishful thinking on their part.
The other weak argument is the 'they don't show up at all in the Horde war campaign' one.
1) We've played through the FIRST PART of the war campaign. There are more parts coming and it's far from over. Now the san'layn part of the *Alliance* war campaign could be over, and maybe our characters will be patting themselves on the backs sure they've ended the vampire menace and after the raid in Dazar'alor Sylvanas uses the loss as justification for 'officially' recruiting the San'layn to bolster their ranks (there WAS that datamined dialogue with Rokhan and Talanji talking about the San'layn having a place in the Horde).
2) Even Dreven being killed by the Alliance doesn't have to be the end of *him*....Keleseth, Valanar, and Taldaram were all killed in Northrend, but Lana'thel was able to bring them back for the ICC fight. Vampires (and undead in general) coming back from the dead is sort of their thing.
Frankly a tiny, petty corner of my mind is hoping we eventually get San'layn AND some form of Quel'dorei just to spite all the 'no more elves'ers XD
Tbh I'd be fine with just adding these two races and then closing the book on elf related ARs. 3 for each faction seems like a pretty good trade off IMO. Just because I main a BE doesn't mean I play only elves lol. For example, I'd kill to play a Mok'nathal.
But going back to your original point, I agree. The scourge had many ways of bringing back fallen characters in WoTLK. Hell, they did it on a regular basis! I remember the final boss in Utgarde Keep being brought back directly after we killed him too. Ingvar I think his name was.
That's entirely fair, I agree. And yeah again by no means are we demanding anything, much less for San'layn to come first. I agree with both Mardrigala and yourself at this point. I hope we get both of those at some point, it'd be nice, and of course a ton of other races too because I love seeing the different and unique races as playables in the game.
And yeah also very true there. See, I still think the blood ritual we were talking about previously has something to do with bringing someone back. Dreven's body wasn't said to be taken on the Alliance side, nor was it on the Horde side. The most likely scenario is that it's lost at sea--and possibly could have been found by the other San'layn. Perhaps this blood ritual is to bring him...or lana'thel... back...
10/14/2018 09:57 AMPosted by SmadinkerIf you want to play a vampire then ESO is waiting on you.
Someone wants to be gnome-DUNKED! Hekhekhek.
10/14/2018 09:54 AMPosted by Valathen10/14/2018 09:41 AMPosted by Mardrigala...
I've always found that argument (they were all killed on the boat!) to be a very weak one. So despite the blood princes we *know* are missing from Northrend (who sure weren't on the boat) they think ALL san'layn are now 'dead'? Nope. Wishful thinking on their part.
The other weak argument is the 'they don't show up at all in the Horde war campaign' one.
1) We've played through the FIRST PART of the war campaign. There are more parts coming and it's far from over. Now the san'layn part of the *Alliance* war campaign could be over, and maybe our characters will be patting themselves on the backs sure they've ended the vampire menace and after the raid in Dazar'alor Sylvanas uses the loss as justification for 'officially' recruiting the San'layn to bolster their ranks (there WAS that datamined dialogue with Rokhan and Talanji talking about the San'layn having a place in the Horde).
2) Even Dreven being killed by the Alliance doesn't have to be the end of *him*....Keleseth, Valanar, and Taldaram were all killed in Northrend, but Lana'thel was able to bring them back for the ICC fight. Vampires (and undead in general) coming back from the dead is sort of their thing.
Frankly a tiny, petty corner of my mind is hoping we eventually get San'layn AND some form of Quel'dorei just to spite all the 'no more elves'ers XD
Tbh I'd be fine with just adding these two races and then close the book on elf related ARs. 3 for each faction seems like a pretty good trade off IMO. Just because I main a BE doesn't mean I play only elves lol. For example, I'd kill to play a Mok'nathal.
But going back to your original point, I agree. The scourge had many ways of bringing back fallen characters in WoTLK. Hell, they did it on a regular basis! I remember the final boss in Utgarde Keep being brought back directly after we killed him too. Ingvar I think his name was.
Honestly in my perfect WoW world...this would be what happens. Each faction gets a final elf option, and that's the end of elves (since counting original races that would give each faction a total of 3 elf options each for a total of 6), playable option-wise period. And despite the elf nay-sayers that would still have non-elf races outnumbering elves (regardless of whether a lot of players choose to play them. Lore-wise it's not like elves outnumber the non-elven members of their factions).
If you assume that each person in each embassy is going to be the 'recruiter' for each allied race (Alleria for void elves, Eitrigg for Mag'har, ect) Nathanos is in the Orgrimmar embassy, it would make sense for him to be the recruiter for whatever undead option Horde gets for an allied race, and whether people hate the idea or not I can strongly see an undead-themed allied race release with San'layn for Horde (crossed fingers, toes, and eyes), and whatever the heck they're going to call the light-infused undead for Alliance.
And who knows, maybe there will be more than just what we have embassies for. It'd be hilarious if we got thrown a curveball in which an embassy would end up with recruiting another, or even two other, or three! Allied Races. Then no one would know what to expect anymore. We can dream, can't we? Hehe.
one could say the same thing for Werewolves as well, but would you look at that the Worgen are still a race that is playable.10/14/2018 09:57 AMPosted by SmadinkerIf you want to play a vampire then ESO is waiting on you.
10/15/2018 07:02 AMPosted by Nemestrïnusone could say the same thing for Werewolves as well, but would you look at that the Worgen are still a race that is playable.10/14/2018 09:57 AMPosted by SmadinkerIf you want to play a vampire then ESO is waiting on you.
Thank the light for that!
Never stop fighting the good fight.
#HordeNeedsMoreElves
#HordeNeedsMoreElves
To be fair, these would be the last elves ever most likely, and come on, vampires? So much potential for lore and fun! They already are expanding their lore on them anyway from the vampirates questline :D We have our werewolves, the only thing that baffles me about the worgen curse is that it's not passed onto offspring, so Worgen would likely have no desire to carry on their curse to their family. This stinks because the worgen would eventually disappear.