Its been about 3 weeks into world pvp at ceneron hold and I’m getting a lot of greif from my guild about alliance posting screen shots that I am safe spotting. I am attacking players in cenarion hold outside of the guards radius and i flew to a mushroom to heal up. A rogue engaged me was about to lose then jumped off the mushroom to run to the guards but I was still attacking him. He screen shot him centered on 4 guards (not aggroed) and me attacking from the mushroom (that both of us can get there via flying mounts) and I’m being told I’m “safespotting” and need to stop. What am I suppose to do when he engages me? if he jumps I jump? I have read the EULA and I have tried to find a blue post that makes this black and white. I understand roof top ganking when someone takes a minute to exploit their way up.
I just am not understanding 2 people who have epic flight and one guy jumps off or and now cant get there because he’s in combat right now why I’m getting this grief. I’m pretty sure it would have been ok if i had to spirit rez if he killed me on top of it
Edit: I’m in zangarmarsh in outlands
Not sure what ‘safespotting’ is supposed to be (sounds like a player-made term akin to griefing, which is not against terms), but I see no exploits here based on what you describe. Anyone can fly up to that mushroom and attack you. If you choose to stand on top and snipe players, then they can run out of aggro range, fly up, and attack you in return, or call friends to do it.
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It does sound like a player made term. They are telling me its against the rules but they are going off of screen shots alliance are posting to try to get me kicked out of my guild. I would like a blue to confirm that there is nothing wrong with PVP in outland on terrain that both players can fly to?
You are not guaranteed a Blue post, and it’s actually pretty faux pas to ask for it as it’s written right into the stickies not to.
I can imagine it to be more of a thing in non-flying areas (i.e. Classic) where you’re basically exploiting the terrain. But in Outland where flying is permissible, I don’t know honestly how anyone can use that as a thing? I’ll do some more poking around and if I see anything in particular to add, I gladly will, and I gladly will accept correction if I am in the wrong.
But I think it sounds like your guild needs to get a grip, honestly.
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I do apologize. I have been educated I will not ask for a blue post.
And I assumed it was meant for no flying areas as well. I think that same culture is taking it to outland and reporting it out of poor sportsmanship but since i seem to be outnumbered on this I was hoping for a black and white answer. That definition of safe spotting is definitely not happening. Its just second nature as a flying hunter to land in a spot where I cannot readily be charged if applicable. Not that I’m spending more than 10 seconds getting to some sophisticated spot that requires exploitative knowledge. Of course by the first sentence of the definition I can see why people are reporting me in outland. I don’t think it was fully revamped for flying.
I should like to think a safe spot is a spot that cannot be reached by another player by jumping walking or flying. Rather I think it was moved from the vanilla definition over the years people are adding world pvp to exploitative cheating most usually when they are losing.
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That term means being outside of guard access and sniping the opposite faction where the location you are in can only be accessed through terrain exploiting. Like getting on top of the barn at the stables in Arathi Basin.
Your description does not meet the definition, as it does not involve terrain exploiting. Any player with flight can get there. It’s just poor sportsmanship on the part of that other group of players. It’s sad that they have to “cheat” to “win”.
Edit:
You are outside the range of the guards. It’s not the same thing as “safespotting”.
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Ruffle explained it well, but to re-iterate, this is definitely not safespotting.
Attacking someone when you have a terrain advantage accessible via normal gameplay is not against the rules.
edit: unless you somehow were able to attack players while they were within the city and should’ve been protected by the guards, and you were circumventing that intended guard behavior somehow.
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Well I do believe what I’m doing is not against the rules. I agree with everyone who is posting. Now my task is to convince my guild who in mass believes I am wrong. That is my next challenge. Thank you all for your contribution
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I know Classic has a very heavy social aspect to it (including getting blacklisted for perceived or real wrongs), but if your guild is bent out of shape because you are playing smart in PvP, maybe time to find another guild?
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From everything being described, Golem, I think the others have the right of it. It doesn’t sound like safespotting. You aren’t in a place that can’t be reached through regular means (flight exists in the Outland). It doesn’t sound like you are able to stand there and attack others in range of the guards and they just can’t get to you.
From your description, it sounds like there was fighting on the mushroom (both of you being up there). They jumped down, bringing themselves into range of the guards with you still being outside of it.
I can’t make a clear call, because I can’t really verify all the details, but if your description is accurate, I don’t see an issue.
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So even if a lower level player cannot fly and access the mushroom it would still not be safe spotting because flying exists in outland?
The PvP response has always been that a low-level should recruit high-level players to the fight.
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Technically, Zangarmarsh is a level 60-63 zone, so anyone in that zone should have the same capabilities as you do. You also said a Rogue engaged you on the mushroom, which means they were able to get up there.
At the end of the day, it really depends on what your guild thinks of the actions and if they feel the behavior fits within their charter (what defines how they want their guild members to behave/stand for).
We don’t have any policies against what you claim to be doing. If you were standing in a spot that exploited guard pathing, that would be a different issue. It doesn’t seem you are.
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I understand that it may be grounds to get kicked out of the guild.
I guess the scenario I’m descibing is in classic tbc wow where I believe you must be 70 in most cases to fly. So if a 62-63 is within range of a mushroom and I land on the mushroom to engage and tehy cannot fly (until they lvl to 70) but can run away or bring friends. Even worst case scenario. The guild is arguing that since the zone consists of mostly under leveled players. I get what I’m doing is morally questionable at best but not “cheating” per se.
So I guess my clear answer question to you Vrakthris is if I engage a lvl 62 player who cannot fly from a mushroom that he is within range of is this not against the rules?
The reason I ask is I am using this post to convince the guild that I am not breaking the rules of blizzard and thats what they are not clear on. While the scenario I described we were all consensually fighting on the mushroom is why they reported me to the guild. Would it even matter?
Thank you for your patience.
Yeah, sorry. I was thinking non-classic levels. My bad.
No. There are no rules of fighting characters that are lower level than you are. Is it fair? No. I don’t understand the purpose of fighting against characters that are considerably weaker than you are, but there are no rules against it. It’s the risk of having a character on a PvP realm. If you want a fair competition where everyone is basically equal in level and power, that is what Battlegrounds are for.
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Thank you all for your clear answers. My problem is solved
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