Saberon as a potential Allied Race

Yes. And there’s a Horde world quest during incursions in Zuldazar where you talk to Kaz the Shrieker, a Laughing Skull Orc.

I was actually about to bring up the saberstalkers too.

I also have to bring up. That Saberon probably also operate with clans, and that I don’t think we actually know all Saberon clans.

Yeah I get there’s some Laughing Skull orcs hanging around, I just don’t view that as the clan. But whatevs, it’s not important.

There is a toy that can turn you into a Saberon, forget the name of it (just like having the toy in the first place). Anyways I found it scrolling thru my toys one day, thought it was a pretty cool model.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it could be possible to write around it if Blizzard wanted them as a playable Horde race. I’d just be happy to see them playable in general, to be honest.

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from what OP said, there are like 30ish years to work with AU draenor. certain Saberons could have very well joined the horde to fight off the draenei threat.

Plus, Draenor is a whole planet at this point. There could be areas of that world we didn’t see. Kind of like how Azeroth gains new areas out of the blue :stuck_out_tongue:

(Query): Why didn’t we see anything fighting with the Mag’har?

(Speculative): It’s also possible that the Saberon united into one Clan and joined Yrel and the Draenei. Perhaps even more likely since there is no reason they would needed to have been included in the assault on the Mag’har; they could’ve been back in Shadowmoon Valley or Talador.

Yowza. Sounds like the Draenei are getting a reskin with a Crab mod.

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We only got to see what was happening in Gorgrond with the quest.

We’re both being Speculative here, but I find it more likely. That if they did infact pick sides in the conflict between the Mag’har and Yrel’s lightbound Draenei. That they’d have a higher chance of joining the Mag’har due to their stronger shamanistic ties.

That and Yrel’s draenei were actually trying to forcefully spread the will of the naaru, which I don’t think they would’ve taken to kindly to, but who knows. There could be Lightborn Tiger people out there too.

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(Observation): Shamanistic ties did not prevent the Orcs from conducting mutual aggression with the Saberon for what amounts to the entirety of the history of both races.

(Speculative): Again, working under the idea that Leorajh and his enlightenment is the linchpin behind what gives Saberon enough intelligence to warrant becoming a playable race, I feel that they’d have gravitated towards the Draenei for multiple reasons. They don’t have nearly the same history of aggression with the Draenei as they do with the Orcs. Likewise the Orcs had nearly destroyed the world with the Burning Legion, whereas the Draenei strove to save it. Overall, the Saberon would have more reason to ally with the Draenei than with the Orcs.

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… then in their universe the Draenei destroyed it. They drove them off of Draenor. They escaped with orcs, not Draenei.

(Clarification): The cause behind the death of AU Draenor has not been determined as of this time. The Mag’har believe the Draenei are responsible, but there is no proof of that.

(Commentary): For all we know the Saberon who escaped to Azeroth believe the Orcs were indeed the cause for the death of their world. Or they just didn’t want to get involved in the conflict between the two groups at the time. My point is, we don’t know nearly enough, but what we do know suggests the Saberon should want nothing more to do with than Horde than killing Orcs.

I’m not sure that would be possible with the draenei’s mindset in AU Draenor, and Yrel’s Draenei taking a Fanatical approach with Uniting everyone under the Naaru.

There is a history with WoW and forged tenuous alliances while under a threat. With the length of Yrel’s crusade, It’s very likely they could’ve buried the hatchet.

No, we don’t know this and you make no sense. You’re just making stuff up/guessing. This is the last interaction Saberon would have had with Draenei:

After Archimonde’s fall, the orcs and draenei worked together to drive the Legion from Draenor. Those were good years. But without the demons to fight, the Draenei became fixated on their precious Light. Their naaru masters compelled them to spread their influence among the orcs. A few coverted willingly. Others had the Light forced upon them. Some orcs even sided with the Draenei against their own kin… even the warchief’s own son was lost! We call these traitors Lightbound. I will not stand by while the High Exarch (Yrel) crusades against the Mag’har freedom! The tyranny of the Light must be ended!

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The saberon were fleeing the same thing the orcs were fleeing from.

you know, I think we’re missing something here. The possibility of orc paladins.

I could use some orc paladins in my life.

(Commentary): Actually, thanks to the source Tovi just provided, it seems Yrel was only trying to bring the Orcs into the fold by force.

(Observation): We don’t know how long Yrel’s crusade to bring the Draenei into the Light went on. Also, we know it was aimed specifically at the Mag’har.

(Commentary): Thank you for clarifying this important point; the Orcs were the targets, not other races. Given the history of the Draenei I imagine other races were left well enough alone.

(Observation): The death of Draenor, perhaps, but not the Draenei. By your own source, the Draenei were only interested in converting the Orcs.

I don’t see how they’re a possibility when they stayed on Draenor and they’re following Yrel.

(Satire): The Alliance goes to AU Draenor and recruits the Lightbound Orcs to the Alliance. Led by their Hero, Highlord Garrosh Hellscream. Garrosh Hellscream becomes an indomitable bulwark and champion of the Alliance, protecting them from the heathens of the Horde, and bringing great prosperity and peace to the Alliance.

(Commentary): Truly, the darkest timeline. For Horde fans, I mean. I could not begin to imagine the frustration of Garrosh being back, being Alliance, and finally being that perfect Warchief the bronze dragons said he was in just about every other timeline, except in ours he’s perfect only with the Alliance.

No, they started with the orcs because the orc were right there. Several races fled Draenor because they knew the naaru wasn’t going to stop there.