Good day everyone I am considering upgrading my cpu to 7800x3d with new ram and motherboard and I was wondering if it would be worth while upgrade coming from a ryzen 7 5800x.
The ryzen 7800x3d is a combo deal with a ddr5 6000 ram which seems like a huge upgrade from my 3200 speed ddr4 ram.
how cheap is the combo deal?
i’d probably pony up for the 9800x3d when it comes back in stock, but otherwise if the deal is good the 7800x3d is huge too
its $650 for the cpu mobo and the ram. I have like 70 bucks in points and planning on selling my old cpu mobo combo for about 100 bucks so theres that as well. I wont need a cpu cooler cuz i had one for my am4 socket cpu cooler and confirmed that it would work with am5 sockets as well.
You really should hold out for the 9800X3D at this point. The 7800X3D is a fine chip if you already have it or if you get a good deal, but this is probably the worst time to buy it since it’s price really hasn’t come down yet. Although you didn’t go into a lot of details about the “combo”, I don’t really consider that a good price.
Keep in mind that CAS latency is just as important as speed. 6000Mhz CL30 is what you want. If it’s 6000Mhz CL36 or CL40, that’s going to be much worse RAM.
So if we purely consider the potential value of this as a “combo” compared to getting a 9800X3D:
9800X3D costs $479.00. It just came out last week so stock is somewhat limited, but it’s worth waiting a little bit.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKFMSMYKA620 is the cheapest AM5 chipset. They often have fewer PCIe slots and weaker VRMs. But with an 8-core CPU, VRMs aren’t as big of a deal.
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-A620M-S2H-Warranty-Motherboard/dp/B0C4CKFV65A solid 6000Mhz CL30 32GB kit
https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Vengeance-6000MHz-Compatible-Computer/dp/B0CBRJ63RTAll together, that’s not going to be too far off from the cost of that combo.
The 9800X3D is a significant boost over the 7800X3D in CPU limited games such as WoW. That’s because you not only have the generational performance uplift from the architectural improvements in the new design, but you also have the increased clockspeed enabled due to them moving the 3D cache from the top of the CPU cores to the bottom of the CPU cores.
In previous X3D CPUs, like the 7800X3D, the 3D cache was on top of the CPU cores, between the CPU cores and the heat-spreader. It acted as an insulating layer, preventing efficient heat transfer. This is why X3D CPUs have previously been clocked lower than their non-X3D counterparts. With the cache on the bottom of the CPU cores, such as with the 9800X3D, that’s no longer necessary and it can be clocked much higher.
So long story short, wait for the 9800X3D.
looks like the ram that was listed on microcenter was a CAS Latency 32 ram for 99 dollars normally
the mother board is a asus A-rog strix gaming mobo with bluetooth and wifi 6e
but there are also 9800x3d combos listed there as well listed for 750 and comes with the same ram but different mobo which is MSI tomahawk x670E
The ram name is G.Skill x5 Flare series 32gb ddr5-6000 cl32
edit: now that i look at the website 9800x3d combo is sold out lol
It is but isnt worth the MSRP now that the 9800x3D is out. Spend a few bucks more and get the 9800x3D. Its better in every way and will be MUCH faster outside of gaming. Runs cooler and is less subjectable to Voltages. Its even faster than the 9700x outside of games which is crazy
7800x3D is the beta imo. 9800x3D is the perfected version
Ok computer gurus…I play WOW on a old HP workstation Z640 running dual Xeon E5-2673 v4’s and 128 gigs of pc 3200 ecc RAM with a radeon 6800xt. I play in 1080p and at max settings and do well enough.
I am considering building a el’ cheap gaming system…I play WOW only. So I was thinking a micro atx am4 motherboard, use the radeon 6800xt and grab one of the x3d cpu’s say the Ryzen 7 5700 x3d. I would think at the same graphic settings and at 1080p it would be a fairly good upgrade performance wise.
depends as you have yet to paint a clear picture
what is your monitor resolution and refresh rate
which GPU do you have?
what is your definition of “worth while”?
You may be better of with a GPU upgrade. You may be better off with a CPU and GPU upgrade. You may be better off with just a CPU upgrade. Can’t really say until you post your specs, your performance desire, and your budget for this performance.
it’s definitely a CPU upgrade would improve things for WoW. Thing is how long will you hold onto this platform? You seem to hold onto these platforms for a while so going with a AM4 that’s no longer supported by AMD may not make sense. You will probably be better off with a AM5 chipset platform and a CPU like the 7600x/9600x that will give you similar performance as the 5700X3D. You can then go with a more modern “X3D” down the line when you upgrade your GPU or just start of with something like the 7600X3D (if you live near a microcenter) or better.
I would try and find a used 5800x3D on Facebook Marketplace you can probably get one pretty dang cheap. Most people that were on that CPU are upgrading to the 9800x3D so there should be a lot of people selling their old 5800x3Ds.
If you buy it off Facebook Marketplace only buy it from someone in person AKA someone local who can demonstrate it working.
I recently picked a 5800x3D up off Facebook Marketplace for $175 for a buddy. I used to build computer rigs for a living but now I do it as more of a hobby/side gig. Semi-retired
He would also need a new mobo and Ram since he would be moving on from a server mobo and ECC RAM hence why AM5 would make sense in my opinion. If he already had the mobo & RAM you can certainly make a case for just a CPU upgrade.
I missed that part. I replied to this message on my phone and kind of skimmed his long post so I stand corrected.
Yes the best thing to do at this point would be move to AM5
thank you guys i am considering waiting for 9800x3d to come back in stock since that is a big upgrade with just a few more bucks than 7800x3d
I would definitely do that it’s literally better in every way.
Another thing you can consider doing? Consider where all your family members live. If you have a family member that lives near a Micro Center have them pick one up for you they are normally in stock there. They can pick one up for you then ship it to you
9800X3D is fantastic with a flag ship GPU & high refresh monitor but what is the OP’s situation?
If it’s something like a RX 6700XT and/or a low refresh rate monitor than perhaps a different game plan to improve overall performance.
If they are wanting the am5 platform it’s still the only CPU I’d suggest for a gamer just on The Thermals and efficiency alone.
It’s also already been proven through overclocking testing that it’s MUCH less subjectable to voltages than the 7800x3D.
From someone who’s already tested the CPU outside of Gaming? The 9800x3D performance outside of Gaming is a night and day difference over the 7800x3D. I would say that’s where you will notice the difference between the two CPUs the most
there’s no doubt to the 9800X3D prowess as a gaming CPU but it needs to a flagship GPU to shine even with an extremely demanding CPU game like MSFS
This is true and untrue at the same time. Like I said I recently did a build for someone on my b tag list. What you said is very true until you factor in how the CPU performs outside of Gaming. I’m talking overall snappiness and responsiveness? It felt very much like a 14900k. I tested it navigating through applications doing some photoshop work etc etc. I test all my builds before I ship them out through real-world usage not synthetic benchmarks.
Obviously multi-threaded performance is going to be quite a big difference between 140900k and the 9800x3D but single core performance was right there. Due to the chiplet design the 7800x3D was nowhere near as responsive in the same real world usage test. The 9800x3D was so good outside of gaming that it was hard to believe that it was an X3D cpu. Considering the x3d CPUs normally take a hit in that department and have always felt a bit sluggish outside of Gaming. Basically the 9800x3D surpasses the 9700x by quite a bit. It’s not just a gaming CPU
Gaming performance alone you are completely correct and everything you said however.
With all of this said my personal experience with the 9800x3D has made me decide that I am replacing my 7950x3d with the 9950X3D Day 1 that it releases
I get all that and don’t doubt it. My point is more, if you have something like a 5800X & RX6750XT build, the 98003DX isn’t going to raise that GPU limited ceiling. It may help a bit on the floor depending on settings but people often forget when they see those high FPS numbers on their favorite review sites that hardware is being tested on top line mobos, ram, GPUs, RAM, coolers, etc.,
It’s also weird the 7800X3d and 9800X3D are so close in price but lack of Intel competition certainly does not bode well for AMD buyers looking for a bargain.
here’s to hoping they do a 9600X3D