yes it is. If you are completing that many timed M+ runs your group clearly is not worried about gear at all.
And by your math and the OPs claims, that is exactly what happened. Also if youre completing those 30 minute times youre getting 2 drops per run, so that would be 22 pieces of loot.
You dont think 22 pieces of loot is a sufficient reward for a single days worth of gameplay?
edit: its actually 27 pieces of loot because all 5 people get a chest item assuming its a static group. That number goes up every single time someone else goes.
how many more people are going to say that ANY amount of gameplay is just “wow chores”? FFS. By your seeming definition of chores, you raiding IS A CHORE. Are you even playing a game? Or are you just making yourself run through chores.
Are you satisfied with Blizzards fix in Shadowlands? Now mythic players can only get gear thats below heroic outside of the vault, will heroic become more popular?
We had a 25 man group through normal and part of heroic. We got 5ish drops per boss. Thats 75 items (50 for the 10 bosses of a clear and 25 from chests, of which you get 3 choices). 75 drops per raid is pretty damn reasonable. even if it was 3 per, its still 55 pieces of loot for a full clear.
So in your raid scenario everyone gets 3 pieces on average.
In your m+ scenario everyone gets 4 pieces on average.
Thank you for agreeing that its m+ gives more loot under similar time constraints. 33% more loot by your own numbers. Now factor in how much easier m+ is, its flexibility. How it can be run indefinitely.
ok so M+ is mildly more efficient. So what? I never made the claim raiding was better, I was showing loot drops are fine.
Clearing 10+s is much harder than normal raiding. The OP was making the claim they cant get geared doing just raiding, which is outright false, if misguided in that its their choice to skip an entire chunk of content.
until they remove the welfare box entirely and mythic+ loot is capped below heroics with no ability to get better unless they put in the time to raid, no. it has no lockouts. it should be significantly worse even than heroic raiding honestly. i’d remove the box and require hitting the timer to get loot at all and then i’d also make it so you are locked out of doing a dungeon again per key level. once and then done. then it would be fair.
7s drop the the same ilvl at end of dungeon vs normal raiding.
Mythic +2 gives the same weekly reward as normal dungeon raiding. M+2 even gives the same weekly vault reward as normal raiding gives for its weekly reward.
Sure, scaling may not be where it should be. I am not arguing that raiding has more or better loot, I am saying loot is available from multiple avenues and the OP is choosing to limit what content they can do. I havent even brought up PVP which I do not participate in at all. I have no empathy for not wanting to do anything besides log, raid, log out.