Ruin "Gaming" and Nazjatar

[Zapey-bleeding-hollow (Zapey)]

@Haakash-tichondrius

I would mop the floor with you kid. Let’s not even pretend you going around ganking people with 100k health is like tangling with geared players.

@Akatsüki-tichondrius

Yes, we’ve beaten you daily for 7 years. Server by server, campaign by campaign, battle by battle. All of your 1337 guilds and communities have been ground into dust. There’s a reason Horde only pvps on Twitter and the forums these days.

Edit: Archaos addressed this earlier today so i’ll just say it here. No, we aren’t accepting your challenge. If you want to fight, you know where to find us. End of story.

Then heres a ruin member admitting his loss to MI10, a honest RUIN member but a FOOL who did not REALIZE how bad ruin covers up.

@Tholir-kelthuzad

I was congratulating the Horde on a good fight. It was a fun close fight that could have been won had more Alliance joined quicker, and there wasn’t a multiboxer camping a flag. I see no shame in losing a fight under the circumstances. Tis the risks you take when you try and phase into a phase that is down 1600 points before you even get anchored at 7 AM PST on a sunday.

I was shaking hands as one should do after a good game.

@Haakash-tichondrius

No you haven’t. Go back under your bridge.

Time for you TO go back to your BRIDGE loser.
Ruin members LYING on the forums IS STARTING to get OLD.

[Dosao-bonechewer (Dosao)]

I’ve never had a problem killing people with that tag in small numbers. Making a zone entirely unplayable isn’t skill. But again, that is not the fault of the players that is the fault of Blizzard for allowing the conditions for their zones to turn into a worthless pile of laggy manure.

Ya Killing random Ruin out solo in the world is as easy or as difficult as killing anyone else . And ofcourse it’s not possible to win against their raid groups .

[Shadowblades-nazjatar]

And ofcourse it’s not possible to win against their raid groups .

I wouldn’t shill for them, dude. Not wise to back a loser.

[Nomak-spirestone (Nomak)]

Dosao isn’t a Ruin shill…

[Grit-velen]

I wouldn’t shill for them, dude. Not wise to back a loser.

He’s not shilling for anyone, just stating common sense.

[Shadowblades-nazjatar]

How is exclaiming that it’s not possible to beat their raids, distorting the fact that their raids can be beaten (and have been beaten) just by forming up to a simple 30 man, NOT shilling?

[Percivall-sargeras (Percivall)]

I think you may need to reread his post. Dosao definitely isn’t a ruin shill.

[Shadowblades-nazjatar]

Oh, wait, is he saying you can’t 1v40 a raid group?
I guess that does make sense rereading it now. He’s talking about winning against individuals but not raids.
Dosao, if that’s what you meant, then I apologize. (That idea just seemed a little too absurd for me to realize that’s what you were talking about. Sorry about that.)

[Dosao-bonechewer (Dosao)]

That’s what I meant . I play solo so obviously I don’t have any chance against any groups , Ruin or not .

[Haakash-tichondrius]

Time for you TO go back to your BRIDGE loser.
Ruin members LYING on the forums IS STARTING to get OLD.

You claimed “wipe”, not loss. And why are you linking my Druid talking about something completely unrelated to the person I was quoting?

[Haakash-tichondrius]

I wouldn’t shill for them, dude. Not wise to back a loser.

And the petulant child cries out for dad’s attention again. Do I need to link the screenshots of you getting destroyed in Naz again?

[Grit-velen]

Dosao, if that’s what you meant, then I apologize. (That idea just seemed a little too absurd for me to realize that’s what you were talking about. Sorry about that.)

Well done.

[Shadowblades-nazjatar]

You had every opportunity to do so. If you have a screenshot of my RAID wiping in Nazjatar, feel free to post it.
In return, would you like me to post videos of RUIN wiping?

[Alphôn-bleeding-hollow]

Unless you use “questionable” tactics like I do to kill a raid group, you can’t solo them or any raid group for that matter.

[Mynx-echo-isles]

Yawn. Nothing new to see here. Next.

[Kardinal-earthen-ring]

What I find most interesting is that Horde haven’t stepped up to organize against this. I play on an RP server, so I’ve never had to deal with this (CRZ doesn’t permit it). But if it’s easy to organize like this, then Horde should be able to do it.

The trick is, it’s not easy to do. I’ve been playing MMO’s for 20 years and organizing hundreds of people to work together consistently requires enormous effort. Ruin’s leadership apparently is willing to put for that effort.

If Horde isn’t…well, we deserve to lose. Because Ruin is just plain better than we are.

(Compare to the shellacking Horde gives to Alliance in every other World PvP scenario. The reason why Alliance barely turns on War Mode. Alliance just isn’t good at outer world PvP. So, in a competitive environment, they just get beat. It is what it is. If you can’t change it, you live with it. Or do something else.)

[Bluefalcón-sargeras]

buy a box of tissues and turn wm off…

[Preencess-whisperwind]

No one has said exactly what’s happening so I’ll attempt to explain what I’ve seen and experienced.

We aren’t talking about a single Ruin raid per shard. We’re talking about Ruin and streamers aligning themselves with Ruin establishing multiple group opportunities on as many BFN shards as they can, winning, and then taking their full raids to other shards with active BFN. Ruin streams this on Twitch. They refer to individual instances of BFN as “phases.” They have at least one full raid in a phase and sometimes more than one. They keep Newhome under control by monitoring the portal and the flight master. They swarm flag nodes. They win their first phase and as this is happening, they’re communicating over Discord as to the scores in the other phases. They figure out which game they want to flip and then they hop shards. When they show up in whatever phase you may be playing, the game becomes virtually unplayable due to server lag. They use this information and zerg nodes and flip the status of entire BFN games. I’ve seen them flip games where horde were winning by 1200 points turn into horde loses. I spend days last week watching, learning, observing (and losing) Battle after Battle.

Because I have been watching their streams, I can tell you Horde may have a raid in a BFN but Ruin will show up with two raids. It’s pretty funny to both hear Ruin complain horde won’t fight back and also laugh when a horde group fights back. I literally heard them comment both ways within a couple of minutes on different phases yesterday. It’s like we aren’t supposed to learn Ruin in sharding into the zone and the game is about to be completely unplayable and we’re supposed to sit around and wait for them to come kill us? Other prime moments: listening to the leader of the Ruin raid accuse a multiboxer of causing server lag.

This isn’t a case where “just change shards” works or matters because if I can change shards to a different BFN, so can (and will) Ruin. I know, I’ve managed to get into four different BFN using group finder in a single “tour” and watched Ruin dominate them all. And once the players win one BFN, they have the winner’s buff and fighting them becomes an even bigger obstacle.

I’ve seen really awesome world PVP in BFN, with similarly geared alliance v horde battling, destroyed by the Ruin invasions. The shards can’t handle two full raids as it is, really. This behavior isn’t really in the spirit of the game or in the interest of PVP.

[Ogpapabear-stormscale (Ogpapabear)]

U are silly i don’t remember giving u permission to talk like that. Sit down lol

[Ogpapabear-stormscale (Ogpapabear)]

Oh look it’s the forum snitch haha