So…it wasn’t just a classic video then eh?
Finally you figured out what you said in your own video…
And as have been said before, you specifically mentioned those RSV abilities as reasons for why you liked it over MM. Ergo, it wasn’t just MM.
…who’s getting tilted again?
This thread isn’t going anywhere (like any other RSV thread) but your distaste for melee survival is not an objective matter in the hunter community.
What if Bepples and Toxiktroktor are the same person?
Look at the facts both goblins, were same set of armor, and both keep on going back and forth for pages.
Same person might have associative personality disorder, and one personality likes MSV and other hates it.
Perhaps when they tied MSV a small part if them liked it, and that part broke off forming its own persona.
Or they were tired of not having anyone who could argue equally with them on SV, so they made up the other.
It sounds crazy but have you ever seen Bep or Toxi in same post at same time?
No, it isn’t, because a) you’re not funny and b) you spend an awful lot of time defending your arguments before declaring “it was a joke all along” and moving on.
The fact of the matter is you contradict yourself a lot so saying that you’re just joking is a coping mechanism.
This isn’t an answer to what I said. Is it true or not that SV is the only Hunter spec with a range-based handicap within 40 yards?
A few reasons:
A) I wouldn’t want to live in America
B) I wouldn’t want to work for Blizzard (seems like they have a few workplace issues…)
C) It’s no secret in the realm of software engineering that game developers are payed and treated like garbage. This is especially true for Americans and Blizzard employees.
In fact Blizzard treating their employees like garbage is likely why they have so much trouble with this game nowadays. All the good developers have left for better companies while all the bad ones are stuck there. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
They spent a bunch of effort reworking a popular spec into an unpopular one. Any remotely-objective perspective says that’s a failure. In fact “biased nonsense” is required to declare it to be a good decision.
Seriously: by what metric is Survival now in a better spot than what it was in, say, WotLK or MoP?
Bruh. Are you really going to defend locked-in choices? This argument is over. It turned out to be terrible. Blizzard caved. It’s one thing to take a naive “wait-and-see” attitude while everyone predicted everything that would go wrong from announcement day but it’s a whole new level when you continue defending Blizzard’s stance after they abandoned it out of necessity.
As for the real answer to this false comparison: compare the difference in power between what Scryers v.s. Aldor give you and what each of the covenants in Shadowlands give you. It should be obvious.
Evidently you missed the point. Again. You do that a lot.
It’s very easy to make a spec viable. Survival is viable. It would be easy to buff it by 50% and make it the most performant spec in the game. That would not suddenly make melee Hunter a great idea. The fact that it’s currently so performant and viable yet people still avoid it shows that the design is the issue.
I’ve been raiding for many expansions now. I’ve met many raiding Hunters who are fully informed about the class, its performance, and its options. Every single one of them was fully aware of Survival’s performance yet all of them avoided it. Because they didn’t sign up to the class to play melee. In fact all but one of them wanted ranged Survival back. That last one I currently raid with and he just thinks Survival should be removed from the game entirely.
This isn’t a defense for your ongoing cognitive dissonance.
You claimed that before SV was melee it was the same thing as Marksmanship. Yet in your older videos you talk about how much you played ranged SV and preferred it over Marksmanship. You’re the one who was talking about older iterations of SV both times. You aren’t fooling anyone at all with this line.
So was it or was it not the same thing as MM in WotLK?
Here: I’ll help you help us clarify your own stances on SV. Here’s a table showing the expansions and how similar SV was to MM in each expansion on a 1-10 scale: 1 being entirely different and 10 being entirely the same. I filled in my own estimated values. Why don’t you copy this and fill in yours? This is a great opportunity for you to clear up your ever-changing opinions on ranged SV once and for all.
| Expansion | SV-MM Similarity |
|---|---|
| Classic | 9 |
| BC | 8 |
| WotLK | 6 |
| Cata | 4 |
| MoP | 4 |
| WoD | 3 |
I’m glad you made the video because a) it proves my point that current MM is not ranged SV and b) I’ve shared it with many friends on Discord to make fun of it because it’s so ridiculous.
I’ve already wasted enough time talking to you on this board. What makes you think you’re worth talking to on Discord?
This isn’t actually a response to what I said. Survival being the most unpopular spec in the game when it was formerly a very popular spec as ranged is an objective matter. Survival being the only Hunter spec with a range-based handicap within 40 yards is an objective matter. The class giving you a ranged weapon at level 1 only to ask you to throw it away if you pick Survival at level 10 is an objective matter.
You can build a contorted logical framework to say predicating an entire spec’s identity on a built-in handicap is not objectively bad. When it comes to game design you can ultimately declare anything to be subjective. But you might as well be telling me that making a chocolate frying pan for cooking isn’t an objectively bad idea so it’s kind of a useless distinction, isn’t it?
legendary thread
some people wake up and read the news, some people watch tiktok, some check instagram.
some people wake up and begin their day by writing a 1000 word essay on RSV, it’s gonna go in as a real mental illness soon, being terminally obsessed with a deleted spec in Blizzard’s World of Warcraft.
lmao pretty much sums up the thread right here
happy monday everyone see you all at tomorrow’s reading
Damn near spit out my drink!
you mean the ones in MM now? So I guess its the same huh?
Im not. But I believe if you complain about something but try and do nothing about it it shouldnt matter.
We dont talk about fight club.
Why would the person im messing with think I was funny? Like im not trying to make you laugh genius.
Does it matter considering what the spec is compared to the other two?
LOL right.
You’re biased.
Its looked back fondly by alot of players but per usual guess that doesnt count since the loudest complainers (guess who were talking about here 
) The very same things people complain about in retail were phrased in old world versions of the game.
Finally were making progress here. No I got the point, you just dont seem to get it yourself. Trash handicap spec able to preform like this, its probably not so bad. But you obviously dont know this since you dont play it so.
Yes because it was in a classic wow video. Of course im talking about the older version of it.
Its a joke video. It wasnt supposed to be taken seriously. I must of said this a million times now so what part of that cant you understand? It doesnt prove anything other than the fact you cant comprehend obvious thingsl
we both know your not going anywhere. I mean, I could obtain it myself. Rather you just do it yourself. What are you so afraid of? You follow me everwhere else on the internet.
LOL
You never replied to my comment about how the MM version of Explosive Shot is absolutely nothing like the old RSV version of Explosive Shot.
You can’t just cherry-pick parts and posts to reply to, dude.
Im responding to like 5 threads on two characters. Im not gonna get back to everyone especially when im mainly talking to one person with my hunter. None of these abilities are like how they all were originally. Its not just explosion shot. Mongoose bite use to trigger from dodging but now its a talent so.
If you say that, then why do you continue to insist that RSV is “preserved” in MM when the abilities (Explosive Shot and Black Arrow in Legion) was completely opposite of what they used to be?
I’m sorry, but this particular argument of yours just doesn’t make sense to me.
There isnt a single ability in this game that is close to what it once was. MM absorbed rsv abilities probably due to how similar they were so nothing was really lost. I mean we have flayed shot now which is kinda in a way like black arrow.
Arcane shot, serpent shot, concussive shot…
And then there’s the non-Hunter abilities: fireball, frostbolt, sap, charge, shred, rake, moonfire…
There’s quite a number of abilities that are still nearly identical to their vanilla/BC versions.
While its true, they have all been changed for the most part in some way. I think cheap shot was the only ability to go years and years not touched or maybe im thinking of some other rogue ability im not sure. I mean, arcane shot, serpent sting use to be effected by spell power for example.
…English is not my native language, so I have to tell you: this sentence made my eyes cross.
How is that not an oxymoron? How does that sentence make sense?
I’m going to bed. Maybe I’ll be able to understand this in the morning…
They function similar I mean. but they have all been adjusted or changed completely over time.
Nope, not the ones in MM. We’re not just after abilities with the same names as they used to hold, we want those as well, but also with the functionality and gameplay they amounted to when they were a part of RSV.
This is why you’re plain wrong when you say RSV is just MM. You cannot achieve the playstyle that was RSV by playing current MM.
Some examples:
So, are you saying that I’m not trying to do something about it?
Correct me if I’m wrong here but haven’t I spent hours and hours on options for how to get RSV back for those of us that want it to return? Making sure that it doesn’t have the same foundation(core design) as the other hunter specs do.
Your answer to this have always been that I should stop and just go play MM instead. I guess you’ve changed your mind now then…
If that’s the case, awesome!
Why spend hours and hours on a deleted spec from several years ago lol