Roleplay in the New Era

With BFA having been rolled out with what is arguably the most divisive storyline in the history of the franchise, we’re in a new era now where fans have never been more divided. A major observation I’ve notice has been an escalation of toxicity within the community, and it’s certainly left a footprint on the RP communities that I dig around in.

I’m curious to learn from folks who have eagerly embraced the BFA story threads, and also those who have been trying to forget it ever happened - and to hear about how you’re all approaching stories in the WoW universe from here on out.

Are you trying to avoid stories that are tied to the BFA content, or even the upcoming Shadowlands content until you’ve a clear ideas as to the quality of the narrative? Or, are you digging in deep and eagerly exploring the new waters since the release of BFA? How has the recent story developments, and the behavior of the community impacted your roleplay, if at all?

And lastly, are there any predictions you have for roleplay (either on a personal/local level, or a community wide level) with Shadowlands coming up?

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In my opinion, BfA is better to be just ignored when you are RPing.
BfA has truly left permanent damage in the story and the writers aren’t going to fix any of that, so it’s better for the players to just pretend that it didn’t happen.

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People don’t divorce reality from fiction when they RP? I think Anduin is a schmuck but I won’t extend that hatred to someone who likes him. I’ll tear into their arguments but it’s nothing personal.

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Probably the most indicative experience of BFA roleplaying was ironically before BFA, during the War of Thorns. In the start, the Horde roleplay community was very active. There were RPPVP raids in war mode, and everyone in orgrimmar was talking about the war, how their characters were involved, what kind of fighting they had seen. My fondest WoW RP moment came in those days, when an impromptu fighting arena broke out in the valley of honor - everyone circled around and people stepped into the middle to duel, testing themselves and each other for the war to come.

Then, Teldrassil. Almost immediately, war mode grinds to a halt. Nobody in Dark shore except Alliance raids rabidly hunting horde players. Back in Orgrimmar, things are quiet. Not a lot of people around, and those who are aren’t happy. People RPing their characters speaking in low voices, getting wasted, one blood elf was sitting in the corner, staring into space, rubbing ash out of her hair.

Just like that, the enthusiasm was gone. Everyone was just gritting their teeth for what was to come.

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I mostly dwell on the story forums and not much of an rper so ill only address this:

In wow there is content that may be worth playing, however, lately ive felt the story is not worth much when they can retcon whatever they want(im looking at you chronicles), im very cautious about buying the next expansion because of this, since my expectations for the story will be so low im trying to see if gameplay steps up

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I went back to Classic for RP. Of course there were mistakes and questionable choices back then as well. The problem I have with BFA and going forward is it feels like the current team does not like the old lore, as if it was holding it back. Playing BFA felt like they were not content with merely moving on past it but felt like they had to drag it through the gutter.

The problem is that since we have not had time or forewarning of this we have had no time to bond with the new path and can feel personally attacked for their treatment of the older stuff.

I’s be interested in what the new team does in a successor to WOW. I really enjoyed the leveling zones and lore in them. I just need to see their stuff without the taking down of what I loved.

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On my server there were high hopes for some great RPPVP stuff and some cross faction events. Again, this was after the initial BfA announcement, and there were some great servers events that had cross-faction basis to them, roll fighting, PVP, all that. Ironically, the stumbling block to all that wasn’t the war, but the ending of it. Peace was formed so quickly that there was a big sense of ‘what now?’ and that lost a lot of momentum, though some server events swapped to dealing with N’zoth and such have happened and were cross faction and very populated.

My own personal experience outside of server events was less strong, namely with my guild. My main guild is a night elf guild, and we managed some pretty expansive campaigns for the first while. Pre-BfA, in the last six/seven months of Legion, gave us a flurry of activity. But the problem was the story didn’t really advance for night elves after a certain point, and at least for us. It was, and still is, a very weird situation, in that logically there was no other place a night elf militia type guild would be other than Kalimdor, but the story itself in that regard was at a standstill for much of BfA.

It was a situation that storywise we couldn’t ignore, but at the same time, there was a standstill from the Burning until late December 2018, then we had the Warfront, but no new info regarding status… and then flat out no real update on the kaldorei front until the war ended in 8.2.5.

In, say, WoD, which has been compared to BfA, it was different because there was flexibility in where the guild could logically go. But in this expansion there was basically a big neon ‘you go here’ sign, and then… lots of waiting. I did enjoy a lot of the RP that happened, though.

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I am very much tempted to do the same, to be honest. Classic’s world and story felt so grand and epic, and every major character at least had understandable reasons for doing what they do.

Not sure if I could live my best rp life without transmog, though…

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The toxicity I see seems mainly concentrated here in the Lore forums. That’s hardly representative of the fan base which for the most part is just playing.

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Incorrect. This expansion is almost universally considered to be the worst of the past few expansions.

Most of the fan base just “plays”, unaware of the meta, what’s good, what’s bad; they just play. That’s fine, but that isn’t really the demographic you want to seek in regards to the quality of the game.

How often do you visit other forums or websites? General, rp servers, Twitter, tumblr, wowhead, websites that have interviews about the lore, YouTube, many of these people are upset. Even if it’s still a minority, it’s not as small as you make it out to be.

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This is true, but I’m interested in hearing from those who do pay attention to the story, and are active roleplayers.

And yes, we do check the forums.

I do wish this were true. I think back to the MoP era when the Battlefield Barrens patch dropped, and we faced (what I’d consider) one of the darkest periods for RP within the Horde. While it was neat at first to be in the “us” or “them” groups, players were eager to take things way too far. The treatment that players, not characters, received for choosing the A or B side of that Horde civil war story plot was just downright awful.

Definitely one of my least favorite memories of this game. That said, I have more fond feelings towards that story and those experience than I do towards BFA.

The Kor’kron incident was bad, but BFA and the War of the Thorns/Sylvanas rebellion plot has been the worst case scenario that I didn’t think possible - even for Blizzard. So much so that I stopped playing the content right near the start of this expansion, and just haven’t gone back.

I’ve seen more toxicity and hostility in game, during roleplay and OOC too, than ever before, and that’s been really disheartening.

Specific to the questions I posed - I’ve stayed as far away from the war as I possibly can on my characters (post War of the Thorns) to try and give myself some space from the misery of it all, but I’ve still been fairly active doing other RP. I try not to have characters think much or acknowledge the war, but I won’t outright claim it never happened. That can be hard though, especially when it feels like the Alliance and Horde have both betrayed the base principles that I was initially drawn to.

I think it’s largely unfair to wrap up the story with “SUDDENLY PEACE!” once again (absolute bull, to put it bluntly. Blizz, you screwed this up big time). This is a huge slap in the face to all the players, both Horde and Alliance, who feel that there has been no resolution, no progression, no genuinely sound movement towards a reasonable peace that makes sense.

Two main characters believe that their factions have made mistakes. That, however, doesn’t erase generations of genocidal war mongering from the Horde races, nor the wars for vengeance and justice by the Alliance races. It doesn’t resolve all the issues brought up during this expansion alone. So many things are still unanswered for. It’s as if Blizz opened up five dozen cans of Play-Dough, and then hasn’t gotten around to playing with each one, so they’re all dried out and terrible. And then they go: “We gave you so much Play-Dough. Why are you upset?”

It’s been an absolute slap in the face to the Kaldorei and the Forsaken players too, both of whom have had their entire core shattered, but with absolutely no efforts to build them back up.

The whole “wait for Shadowlands for the build up” response, by the way, is garbage. This is a plot element that is tied to the BFA story, and absolutely should have been given more focus towards a meaningful resolution. I paid for the BFA expansion; I should be given the resolution to the BFA story, and all its elements. This is like if during WoTLK, they had saved the Arthas kill for Cataclysm.

Blizzard is taking the “Done with one big thing, onto the next. No blending or smoothing between these two major things,” approach - and that’s just awful. There’s no meaningful closure for what we’ve been dragged through.

As such, not a single one of my characters on the Alliance is going to be halting their aggressions should they see Horde characters - and not a single one of the Horde characters is going to return to the Horde.

Neither faction fulfills for me that draw they once had. The Alliance is rolling over yet again, and the Horde is having to acknowledge it’s inherently flawed, and far too eager to commit and support genocide. That’s a depressing and miserable ending, flat out.

Neither of those two things encourage support or investment, and are hard passes for me.

So, pretty much neither set of characters will be with their factions - and are just lurking on the periphery. Miserable, yes. That, however, is the only logical sequencing I can scrounge up based on how things played out. If I’m going to take my characters’ stories seriously (which I do), I have to take the game’s story just the same.

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If Horde players are not RPing their character as some spectrum of evil then they are doing it wrong.

BFA was a great opportunity for them to RP how the Horde really is.

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Unfortunately what do people expect from a company that responds to fans with “You think you do, but you don’t.” “The Horde is waiting for you.” “Do you guys not have phones?!” Activision Blizzard has been treating the player base as dirt more so recently. The only real reason Classic is released is because BfA was such a failure not just with lore but also with gameplay.

Took a while for me to understand that lore died a long time ago with BC bringing out “the rule of cool” allowing retcon after retcon after retcon ever since. It wasn’t until WoD with TiMe TrAvEl shenanigans that just made me laugh it off and accept that the lore is dead. After all the retcon shenanigans, Legion making Sylvanas Warchief, BfA lore wise really isn’t all that shocking.

Will see how Shadowlands will go, it maybe another WotLK in terms of lore. The WotLK was the only expansion that had good lore, despite “There must always be a king.” Best to stay happy and not take things seriously even from a 15 year old game from a now terribly corrupt company. Other wise should really quit the game, breathe, and enjoy other things.

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Oh I completely agree. Since the Cannibal Corpse incident at Blizzcon, I’ve withdrawn any and all support from Blizzard on the “good treatment of its players” front; they still have an F from me on that score card.

This, however, I don’t agree with. Classic was a decision made because of the potential resurgence in subs; and it paid off. Companies like Blizzard don’t make on the fly decisions of this magnitude to fix a completely separate product’s woes.

I’ve taken this approach to heart, but within the context of WoW itself. The only thing I enjoy in the game any more is RP. If I try real hard and ignore most of what Blizzard is doing, going off and creating new storylines with friends is 100% satisfying, and more than enough to keep me around. Since Cata, I’ve really only been playing for RP.

I don’t worry about class balance, battlegrounds, raid difficulties; I couldn’t care less about mythic world firsts or any of that. I just dig into the stories that I like.

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Sorry what I meant of with the whole Classic released shindig was two things. That it was in a “break glass just in case” situation. If I had to guess something that was worked on at about WoD when as you said subs started dropping. BfA was the “break the glass” situation. Really splitting hairs though when looked at it hehe. Also I’m comming off as tinfoil hat style, oof.

Second and more importantly thing was the fact it was released for profit and greed and not for the fans. Old Blizzard did care about profit, but also about the fans. Activision Blizzard doesn’t really care at all.

I also play games for the story first and gameplay second, uneless the gameplay is so good that it can cover up the bad story. I’ve Quitted some games because of the terrible story, or story I don’t agree with. That being said I hope I’m wrong in this aspect, it feels as if the RP aspect has died off too. Either that or most likely it’s in a very awkward situation.

Before people would roleplay as they like and find like minded people, and just play for fun and good ol’ “jolly cooperation.” Now I’m getting worried people are turning into some sort of “hive mind” style and go “You’re either with us or against us!” Sort of thing. People can’t control what other people play as, say, or what they do, there are no roleplaying police. Though starting to get worried people are going to try, that’s what truly scares me for the game. Maybe I’m just over reacting in that bit, and need a breather myself haha, dang quaratine!

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This absolutely is the case now, though. And Blizzard has encouraged it.

The faction conflict has always been central, but Blizzard always tempered it with a sense of unity out of character for the community. BFA has been unabashed “us vs. them” with absolutely no redeeming moments where we as a player base/community were brought back together.

So until Blizzard gets over itself and remembers that we’re a community before we’re separate factions, it’s not going to change.

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Well this would be the place to…

Oh. Nm. You can get WET.

Wouldn’t the RP section get you the info you want?

Yeah.

I do not even know the rules of RP. They seem concrete yet shifting. People both ignore and incorporate story aspects. Which seems a bit ludicrous.

Any latent and unintended RP I might do would have to include the events of the Lore. I imagine the Story Forums would have a different perspective on RP than, for a far out example, the RP forums…

RP has a whole section. Do you make threads about RP in the Pet Battle and Profession areas, too? It seems just as logical as making an RP thread in the Story area.

Not particularly. We’re talking specifically about story here, in the meta sense. The RP forums are where most folks go to look for RP, or post in character RP threads.

The questions are focusing on how people are handling the story in their roleplay and other in game experiences. This isn’t an in character thread, so therefore I’m not putting it in the RP forum.

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RP involves the Story, yes, but they have their own area for RP concerns. I suppose that area must be dull, full of posters such as yourself. So you wish to infect and inject those sort of topics to other areas.

So be it. People often post RP junk over here. I am just mentioning it is totally out of place.

You are discussing the Story as an RP aspect. Like the RP forums was designed for. But I suppose it must be dull over there. I never go to the RP area to discuss Pet Battles or Music, but I try to respect the purpose of having different sections for different subjects.