Back in the day Rogues were rank 3 dps behind mages and warriors with shadow. Now not even 1 spec is going to be in top 10. Feral’s and Ret’s were in the top 5 back in the day and they got a buff. Going into phase 4 they are still going to be in a good spot. Combat rogues are only good if they hit perfect opener, cause after CD’s fall off they aren’t doing much damage at all. If they mess up their opener then they are barely out doing the tanks. Rogues are a pure dps class and if they are doing that very well no one is going to play them
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Nah we’re good. Thanks
Also what’s it mean to hit our perfect opener? It’s a pretty standard simplistic reliable rotation.
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Most of CB Rogues damages comes from their opener. if they were to mess it up they won’t do much damage in their BF window. Once BF and AR are gone they are doing less damage then assassin does. Rogues are a pure dps class and they aren’t even good at that. Most raids will just bring 1 for a tricks bot. We’re really not in a good spot.
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Yeah you are very mistaken.
We were never a stacked class. And you didn’t bring combat for tricks or it’s damage (even though combats damage is just fine) you brought it for their 4% physical buff
Most of our damage is white damage and poison. All classes fall off after their CDs. This is not unique to rogues. And as far as being worse than muti I hate to break your heart but muti has been the stronger pure dps spec for most of the expansion. Being worse isn’t something new. I think combat jumps ahead now due to it armpen and bursty AoE.
Nothing has changed. Some specs have scaled better but rogues are still really good. Their utility is solid with tricks, stuns, interrupts, cloak, feint. They have a place in raids and having more than one isn’t bad.
We don’t have to be the best. It’s ok to be in the middle
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I never said Rogues were a stack able class. They 100% should be a top dps cause that legit all they bring to the table, They cant heal they cant tank. THEY ARE A DPS class. They should be doing damage. but with every other class getting a buff/fix rogues aren’t a top dps.
I know that assassin rogue is better at dps but with how items are itemized they fall off and Combat becomes better.
Rets and Ferals both bring more utility then rogues.
You are talking to someone that mained rogue in original and all the way through classic. They need to be put back in line with the rest of the classes.
I understand you like being me mediocre but most rogues don’t and they should be.
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A ton of what you said is just flat wrong but I’m not going to get into one of these petty point by point debates.
They have been a very strong dps from the beginning of wrath all the way to right now. Combat is sitting at #5. So how high does rogue have to be to be acceptable but not broken to you and what would you buff?
Also I too have been a rogue since the beginning. It’s not something that makes your opinion better or special.
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Combat is not #5 in Phase 4. You are looking at old tier list they are now in the bottom half with all specs
Really can’t wait for your eyes to be opened
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If rogues we’re higher, then wouldn’t they become a stackable class? 
According to Wclogs combat over the range of the last two weeks in the current raid across the board currently sits at # 5 between feral and fury
Assassination sits at 8
So rogues have two top 10 specs with our third being a PvP spec
No they would every once in a while do top damage.
I guess im done in this threat cause im limited to my replys cause i never come to the forums. But You are talking about Phase 3, I’m talking about phase 4. rouges are at the bottom half.
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Based on what? What are you basing them being at the bottom on?
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Wow. Now i know everything you have said means nothing. You haven’t been looked into any of the phase 4 stuff.
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I actually have. Which is why I want to know where you’re getting YOUR info. Got it or not?
Buff rogues
I think the T10 2 set should give us the damage bonus from tricks, 15% for 6 seconds. That would make it as good as some of the other crazy set bonuses that distance other classes from us in P4.
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I can’t post links. but if you look at all the tier list and sim list for dps in phase 4 and 5 rogues are all in the bottom half
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Weird because the sims I’m seeing have combat in the middle with tons of asterisks all over the place from multiple leads saying that there are still a ton of questions and that the sims are nowhere near final.
Also mentions that they are patchwerk sims which lol…if we’re basing our knee jerk reactions on patchwerk sims idk how to help you there.
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I don’t get how you argue a PURE dps class should be in the middle of the pack
Rogues were fighting for the top 3 spots all of Wotlk now they are falling to 5th and worst coming into the next phases. They are not going to be in a good spot
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*Rogue is unexpectedly performing terribly? I am unable to optimize it further at the moment. Does not include raid DPS added from tricks, 650+ dps.
*Assassination: TAJ dps depends on crit cap, as the hit raises crit cap. In P3 BiS, TAJ is a DPS loss without gear changes. In P4 BiS, +91 dps vs. H WFS.
Thats the only asterisks I see.
Edit: Btw, Im looking at the Sim competition results that the community worked on as a whole in each of the class discords.
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The original one? Because it’s undergone a lot of changes.
Also those same leads who have repeatedly stated that those sims don’t translate directly to raid fights and to not freak out over the unfinished product?
As we’re doing here and now
It not a freak out, its a discussion. Utility specs shouldn’t be out dpsing pure dps specs and thats what were already seeing