This patch cycle is a net negative for all Rogue specs.
Rogues are losing too many important tools and thematic tools too for each spec. At this point every Rogue spec in PVP is going to run 2 out of these 3 talents now which is lame (Dismantle, Smoke Bomb, new Feint talent).
Might as well make Smoke Bomb or Dismantle baseline at this point to also help out the specs in PVE a little bit too.
smoke bomb and dismantle should’ve been kept baseline a long time ago, and never in the pvp talents in the first place.
Lmao this one is funny cause since starting in Legion SB truly has been used every damn season. Was it the case before Legion too?
Either way, if something is picked that consistently (assuming the other talents were being changed as well) theres no counterargument for making it baseline.
… in other news i hate the forums for not letting me curse like its not how i regularly speak.
Careful, at this rate they’ll just remove these talents and give us nothing…
True with their logic they will think that the other talents aren’t picked enough.
Smoke has been used as a raid defensive cooldown before Legion. I remember this, because i was raiding during MoP and WoD. It also had additional effect of 20% damage reduction.
And in PvP it was ofc a baseline for all rogues and used on CD in almost every arena.
Rogues have too many talents that are required to make the class function and not enough optional talents that are fun to pick up.
Make some talents baseline for Sub and Outlaw (even Assassination) and you start to move the needle for the specs to actually shine and see more diversity in builds.
A lot of specs feel that way, incomplete, without spending thirty or more talents just to get abilities that were baseline forever before. What might be more egregious than that…spending 5 or so talent points on one ability like Steed or Trueshot to make them be kinda okay.
Whomever designed Shadowy Duel understood this, that person is probably no longer there.
Shadowy Duel was designed to replace Garrote Silence.
This isn’t really a new phenomenon, see: making KS the combat capstone in Cata instead of adding a new ability, and then making it a talent nobody picks for the next 10 years.
I know some youtubers have rogues pretty high on the tier list for pvp, but i’m not seeing them in any battlegrounds. The scary ones I saw are the high damage but fragile frost death knights, and the durable, very fast and very powerful warriors and fast and powerful monks. Haven’t seen a ranged character that challenged my hunter yet in these couple of games. Fury looks like an s plus tier.( i know, spec tuning is not the topic of discussion, and i’m not asking for any changes based on what i’ve seen)
Edit: the rogues found me and subtlety is incredible. I haven’t survived an encounter with one yet in a battleground. In open world war mode, I was fine versus one, but he may have attacked me while not knowing how to pvp