lets see how many bs abilities rogues have
blind - totally overpowered doesnt even share diminishing returns with other cc
sap - can just sap and reset the fight in combo with blind
evasion - cant be hit by anything making it an instant win against classes like warrior or paladin
vanish - losing the fight? well now u can vanish and run away or instantly cheap shot someone or how about an ambush crit with cold blood 2 shotting ur target
Rogues have no counter they are good against every class and should be nerfed in the upcoming pvp patch. I propose eviscerate gets its damage lowered by 25% evasion increases your chance to dodge by 12%, after vanishing your energy regen is reduced by 50% for 5 seconds. sap duration reduced to 8 seconds and blind cooldown increased to 10min with a 3 second duration also shares diminishing return cc, 2 poison charges should be consumed when fighting a player instead of just 1. Those are just the start of the changes to rogue though feel free to propose your own changes.
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They’re literally the best PVP class in the base-game and every expansion, that’s just what WOW has devolved to.
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Pretty sure this shares DR with Fear or Cyclone, doesn’t it?
rogues not good in competitive bg setting…
Yea they watch you and stalk as you pull 4 mobs then kill you
OP
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Great at wpvp yes.
but man, if you think Rogues are the top overall pvp class I fully invite you to play a rogue for a while.
Warlock, Mage, Ele, Hpal, Arms, Hunter, healer priest all dramatically better for bgs.
That isn’t to say rogues are bad, because that also isn’t at all what I’m saying, I’ve often had a rogue, they can be a super fun class… but they have weaknesses, same as the others, and frankly their strengths are far more situational than all of the above in bgs.
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Rogues are good in disorganized and/or solo pvp, but they’re not the best (probably warlocks or spriest are the strongest in 1v1 duels). They’re still fine in BGs but in an organized group setting other classes are much stronger. In TBC+ they’re the strongest in pvp/arenas pretty consistently.
The world would be a better place if Blizz just deleted every rouge from the servers and prevented new ones from being created.
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Other classes always seem to have some ungodly overpowered abilities until you pick them up and use them.
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Yea, wish they’d just altogether get rid of the class…
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Well if we are changing things around I want bears to be able to wear plate and shields then
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OP just got ganked in open world PVP by a rogue.
Nothing to see here.
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Lol, this is directly from world of roguecraft
“Signs you may be a bad rogue: you think evasion is worthless against warriors.”
Lemme guess, your favorite character in Tekken was Eddy.
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Stoneform, Restorative Potion, Free Action Potio, Cure Poison
Berserker Rage removes Sap and Gouge. If you think you will be Sapped then you 1-H and Shield and get in Berserker Stance for it.
Overpower basically up the whole time. With 2/2 Improved Overpower and Impale it might only take one Overpower to end the fight if you have a good 2-Hander equipped. Also why you want the slowest highest top end damage 1-Hander you own equipped if forced to turtle with a Shield.
5/5 Booming Voice will pull them out usually with a Demo Shout. You also want to get a Rend on them immediately because when bleeds tick they break stealth. Slow with Piercing Howl
Fish for Overpower with Sunder Armor and Hamstring. If you have 3/3 Improved Hamstring and it lands on them probably GG
Honorable mention to 5/5 Deflection, it wins fights
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Yeah it sucks when it’s “you” they pick to blow all their CDs on. But, 1v1 isn’t the same as multi player pvp. There will ALWAYS be that 1 class that shines above the rest. Nerf rogues, and it becomes something else. Shaman windfury 1 shots??
I have Might of Menethil. I have never, ever, killed an equally geared rogue with a single overpower.
Also, overpower has a 6 second cooldown. Not like you can spam it.
Evasion is close to an auto-win against a warrior, unless the warrior gets some really good RNG luck. Best hope is to fear the rogue, get some distance, intercept, and hope to delete him before intercept stun wears off. If the rogue has any dot on him (like deep wounds) or is undead, this plan won’t work.
Rogues are pretty strong and have excellent CC, but it’s not like other classes don’t either(not to mention hard counters to several of their CC). Rogues just accel exponentially in 1v1 situations. So, if this post is about you getting spanked out in WPvP, move along or bring some friends.
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Actually rogues are quite amazing in competitive team play.
You clearly have zero idea what you’re talking about.
During the AB tournament the best player on the winning team was their rogue, who was 3v1 stealth capping, preventing caps, and overall being a complete pain.
You simply don’t understand rogue if in BGs you are going for KD or damage.
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Yes I’m aware of the CD on Overpower.
Good Rogue will not let you get to Intercept minimum range but you need to try.
I don’t like relying on a CD like Intimidating Shout to damage would rather use it to stop them doing something possibly even use up their Evasion or something.
MoM is a great weapon but I think Axes and Swords play better. Would definitely use it if I had one but wish the best 2-H in the game was Axe or Sword.
I didn’t say a single Overpower would 100 > 0 a Rogue, I said it wins fights vs Rogues and that is indisputable, really it’s your best instant to use even if Execute is up because a dodged Execute sucks.
Depends on the player of course. I will always try for a Disarm if I think they make not have immunity (gloves)
Unless you are fighting Perplexity this should be one of the better 1v1 for a geared and experienced Arms Warrior.
FAP doesn’t work on blind. If you stoneform blind they will just gouge, sprint and reset. They can do the same thing if you resto pot the blind. There’s a reason why duel tournaments needed special rules for rogues and why there has been a special anti-rogue power up in the arena since it was created.