Who said that? Not me. I said rogues have the tools to fight anyone and are top tier in control/dmg/utility which they are, undisputed. I also said the only thing that bothers me is self healing on dps classes which rogues have in the form of crimson vial.
You came in here saying you get 3 shot by gpryos (lol) that do 50% health each ( lol again) and have no apparent ability to discern an ice mage and fire mage. (snares and slows)
Or Mages who can 3 shot anyone meanwhile a rogue needs not only to lockdown someone but blow all CDs and global them ASAP to even try burst them down?- You
This tells me you play rogue horribly. If you think for one second that rogue is not TOP TIER (as mages are) then that’s the player, not the game.
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An average rogue player can’t manage cds and would try stand toe to toe with a monk, we can’t out burst a well geared ww monk no matter how we try. Sin burst is an entire rotation, that involves getting bleeds up ASAP, 1 dmg modifier, 3 min cd, making sure all of that is up and doing 1 5cp envenom
What most players need to understand about rogues is there’s is heavy planning by us if we know what we are doing.
Each spec has its weakness and strengths. You need to understand the rogues.
I see complaints about cloak, but cloak is a 2 min cd and the rogue will only use it for two things
When he is escaping or when he is absolutely sure he has the edge in the fight so he uses it to push through.
Same thing with blind, it’s ekther use to so we can reset the fight and get a breather, for enemies escaping we have on the ropes or to Ninja cap nodes.
I see complains about vanish but any rogue player could tell you how buggy that spell is. It’s easily the single most infuriating spell we have currently because the majority of the time we are knocked out of it.
When I see a mage complain about rogues I laugh because they can dish out a ton of damage (spell damage to boot) and we have little answer for it and their mobility far superior to ours. Sprint/Shadow step and grappling hook are all long CDs.
I have a far easier time killing mages with my warrior than my rogue for the simple fact that charge allows me to stay on top of them.
You want to roll rogues in 1 on 1 out think them.
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and we have little answer for it and their mobility far superior to ours.
-Cloak makes you entirely immune to everything a mage can do, while you have 100% damage up time.
-Mage mobility is a mandatory talent called shimmer for 2 blinks each on 20 sec cool down. That’s it. No other mobility, no snares (fire).
-Mages that dish out a ton of damage have no snares or slows while you have 100% snare up time on a mage including a ranged ability that applies all poisons. The only way we have to remove a snare or poisons is ice block, a 4 min cool down in which we are completely immobile and unable to do anything. Which at that point a rogue resets.
-Rogues are the premier 1v1 class in this game. Even if you don’t win, a good rogue won’t lose.
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Cloak is a 2 min cd, that we can’t spam. You saying our cloak is all we need for spammable spells ?
Mandatory talent ? I’m sure other classes don’t have mandatory talents.
Rogues compensate for long cd gap closers by having slows. You want to get rid of sin’s crippling poison? Make shadow step be accross the board at 2 charges with a 15 sec cd. And outlaw rogues have no dots (something fire mages have plenty of )
Any class can be beaten 1v1 a good rogue wont beat a good ret pally, Frost mage, disc priest for example.
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Will you leave them alone they have been gutted already. Far worse then any other spec. It seems like a l2p issue you are a hunter. I also main a hunter . Use traps,binding shot , disengange ,cheetah . Kite them into your team . Use flair ,Use turtle,selfheal,traps again. Keep kiting until help arrives.
I usually melt them to peices hunter is like one of the best rogue killers imo
No cloak doesnt it only lasts for a short time. save your burst dmg when cloak isnt up is the key . Mages have blinks and slows . Mages can also kite better then any other caster . There is no reason you shouldnt be able to run from a rogue .
As for no roots n snares you must not play frost mage . Frost mage is like king of casters for roots snares and slows.
Frost mage is tough for any melee. Ret is hard because you have to kill them twice. Healers shouldn’t even be a topic of discussion. ![:wink:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/wink.png?v=6" ":wink:")
Arcane and fire mage should be kills for a rogue though (IMO).
He plays fire mage. It’s not like he is keeping that a secret.
I can count the number of solo fights against frost and arcane mages on one hand in this expansion. ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
It’s entirely dependent on player not class. I’ve had mages of all specs lock me down from a distance and give me the spice. It wasn’t fun but I got outplayed and that’s the game.
Same thing here if a Rogue gets the drop and you and you are locked down. You were outplayed.
I PvP as outlaw. We don’t have burst, we don’t have dots so our damage is totally dependent on uptime on opponent and our mobility is entirely dependent on what you talented for giving up dmg or control for it.
We just have control and we be annoying because that’s all we have.
Also as I keep repeating we are highly cd dependent. If we blow all of our CDs and get into a fight we are dead no ifs or buts about it. There not running away. There’s no trying to fight it out.
isn’t the point of stealth so that you always get the drop on people? if that is really part of outplaying someone then rogues should lose stealth. but also, when all my screen shows is stun, stun, silence, stun, blind, stun, release spirit i wasn’t exactly outplayed so much as hit by a class that badly needs a nerf.
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No cloak doesnt it only lasts for a short time. Cloak lasts 6 seconds. During that time, a mage has exactly 0 abilities that will effect a rogue. Meanwhile, the rogue is free to attack at will. Mix that in with the myriad other interrupts, stuns and tools rogues have and it is a recipe for rarely casting a 4 second spell. Certainly not 3 in a row.
*Mages can also kite better then any other caster * Correct, if the mage is frost.
You are correct, i don’t play frost (although i have extensively). Which means, again, no slows no snares.
I’m not asking for help vs rogues. I know how to fight them. I’m not complaining at what they can do other than self heal. But to pretend rogues aren’t an amazing, top tier class (minus sub, sorry subs) is silly.
Nah ive seen all specs if mages kite great . Mage is a mobile caster. I play frost/arcane but ive seen fire kite like no other .
They dont need any more nerfs geezuz get better . They have been nerfed enough .
nah, they need more nerfs. maybe 8.1 will change things for dks, but rogues will still need more nerfs.
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No they dont i do fine against them as a fdk try again
I never said i couldn’t kite. But of the 3 mage specs it orders like this: Frost > Arcane>Fire. (Actually there could be a debate between frost/arcane honestly)
I play all 3 sweetie and have been since i started legion on both horde and alliance and still do fine seems like its a l2p issue.
Cool as soon as I can negate magic damage like a DK or bubble like a pally or have utility a Druid has at their disposal you can take stealth.
I want to see which rogue can stun you consecutively since a) diminishing returns is a thing, and our only out of combat stun is on cd.
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