Ok so I really don’t like complaining just for the sake of doing it and I know nothing is going to happen until next expansion if ever but to me it’s problematic when something is literally so good that it’s impossible to beat unless you mirror it. Rogue/Mage feels just as broken if not worse than it was in WoD (and that’s saying something), it has zero weaknesses and excels at literally everything.
I’m not saying stuff like PvE items and dh mana burn aren’t problematic cause they are and I can’t believe nothing has been done about them yet but in a pure PvP setting where PvE items are not allowed like arena tournaments it becomes even more evident how broken Rogue/Mage is. You have some classes/specs that are basicly unplayable in PvP and then you have those which we all know who they are that are basicly tier zero with very little counterplay (and most of it doesn’t matter in the long run cause you still lose). I don’t understand why developers leave such big gaps in class viability. Just garbage design.
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Nah. Let it ride until they win Blizzcon in a RMx/RMx mirror series so we can finally get them nerfed into oblivion for the next xpac and never again have to hear someone say “if RMx is so good how come it never won Blizzcon” (even though it kinda already did but the team swapped out a WW for the Rogue because WW was so OP at the time).
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Buf if RMx is so good how come it never won Blizzcon? Checkmate RM haters.
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i would love to see rogue mage get nerfed but i feel like when one variant of it isn’t good, the other variants stride.
like when assassination is bad, sub is overtuned, and the other way around.
To me it feels like it’s not so much the Rogue that is problematic, it’s more so the Mage. They are incredibly tanky with all the shields and self-healing they have on top of their damage output while having access to arguably the best cc in the game, they basicly have zero weaknesses, it’s just like WoD again when they were tanks due to the Flameglow talent making them absorb 30% of the damage they took from any hit (don’t ask me why they thought this was a good idea, I still don’t know after all these years). I thought they had learned from their mistakes but it’s Blizzard so kappa. If Mages actually went back to being class cannons the comp would still be good and the class itself aswell, just not as forgiving and overwhelming as it currently is. Just my opinion
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i HATE gpie more than any ability in this game (except mana rift) and i hope they remove it.
as for living yes it’s annoying but that’s like every dps spec now a days. most specs don’t need a healer because they’re very independent :3
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DH/DK is suppose to beat RMPala (per Cdew’s stream last night). He just didn’t play well.
As for assa/frost mage, it only won because the rogue pumps damage and the frost mage controls the other dps the entire game. Plus they have a druid who can basically hot up and go for drinks for mana.
This wasn’t possible against C9’s MLD. How is the mage going to control the mage/lock when the mage/lock has infinitely more control?
There are weaknesses to rogue/mage, but noone exposed it this past tourney. Also, I agree, garbage design. This is the most boring iteration of rogue/mage that I have ever played.
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100% agree. RM only won because they have such HUGE brains and outplayed their opponents. These dumbos can’t comprehend what even happened.
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Is a sub rogue RM meta as toxic as an assassination rogue meta? Genuine question as I play rogue it’s hard for me to judge. I feel like gutting assassination is justified at this point. we’ve had 2 really brain free seasons. But I’d ofc love rogue to be competitive. So what’s better for teh game? I imagine sub rogue is more fun for people to fight.
Gpie literally made the mages on my friends list uninstall.
I’m not pro, haven’t even had any rating since legion, and even then I think the highest i got was 2.2 as a disc. But to me Rmpal vs Dh/DK seems like the battle of the one trick ponys. It was just a battle of attrition.
Assass looks cool in Rogue/Spriest, just becomes super silly when playing with a fire mage imo. Fire is the main issue imo
Dhdk in theory with an rsham should be a super hard counter to rmpala w/ amz darkness link 3 ranged kicks ground etc but it’s just still totally possible to blow up someone as rm cause shamans just don’t have output
no because kidney -> klepto
so yeah i guess output is the issue
Assa damage being disgusting and 20sec kidney are the main reason its so good but i never see anyone blaming the R in RMP.
Jesus 20s kidney isn’t the problem. If that was the case then every class that can stun every dr would pair well with a fire mage.
Seeing mages and rogues blame each other for who’s more nauseating is actually hilarious
Yea every other class with a 6s stun on a 20s CD alongside stealth and an 8s Incap.
Yea
what other spec has a 6s stun on a 20s sec cooldown with as much damage as assa and with permanent mortal strike and permanent 50% slow?
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Hehe boy, Holy Priest has a super short CD stun. Just go Apotheosis and spam Smite.
Actually curious, how short a CD can HoJ be with that Judgment talent? And if you stacked haste would it be noticably shorter?
I think the Judgement talent is gone and it goes off Holy Power now.