Rogue just did 8,500 dmg to me in a single stun lock rotation...In Shadowform with R13 gear

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PvP in the world is broken and blizz aren’t bothering to balance for it. The biggest advantage rogues have in open world is stealth tbh, other classes output more dmg and many ways to ruin rogues lives… if they were able to open on the rogue first.

Honestly 8500 to a priest without the bg buff is pretty low for what a rogue can put out. Flip side is warriors/shamans/pallies who are tanks are virtually immune to rogues.

But yeah if this post is, “wow wpvp is in a broken state,” yes it is and blizz don’t seem to care at all about it.

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Trinket, Stoneform+FAP
Dead Rogue
Flask of the Titans and Brilliant Wizard Oil

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Any pala spec counters all rogue specs.

Ret is the most OP class/spec in the game right now meaning rogues are hard countered in most situations. There are so many palas running around BRM its nuts.

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You forgot about boomies my friend

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Yeah they are nuts in open world, fullr13 get globaled in 3 seconds lol o well it’s a game not balanced and it is what it is.

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Literally means nothing in open world.

I don’t think you understand the concept of getting “globaled”.

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Yeah he hit Starfire for 5.5k on open… Pretty much yeah.

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Sorry thought you were still talkin rogues. More of a wind up to getting globaled with that cast time, but fair enough in that sense cause when it nukes it nukes within a global.

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It’s like 1.5 cast time with zg gear, I just laughed. Was doing some herb and bam dead. But my druid is getting gear too so I’ll have fun here soon enough :slight_smile:

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There’s other procs you have to have rolling too for that I think, but i think you get a charge of one of them from starsurge anyways. Boomies are pretty fun, though they made it where frenzied regen really guzzles that mana.

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idk who really cares, if you’re complaining about world pvp it’s all broken and there is zero effort to fix it. Saying pallies or rogues or boomies or hunters or shamans do too muhc dmg and/or are broken is pointless. The devs are very clearly only balancing for BRM and BGs (the zones with stam/dr buff). If they were going to balance wpvp pratically every class would need adjusting in terms of nerfing dmg output and tanks probly need to not make melee dmg dealers have MUs that are impossible purely due to the the melee player dealing negative dmg to the man with shield.

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boomies flop hard after regens gone, they’re B tier at best.

They’re A tier vs randos in bgs that allow free cast healing and such

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I am addressing very specific people crying about specific scenarios. I agree with you, overall sod has been poorly executed and the devs appear to have NO idea what they’re doing when it comes to classic and the player base that love it.

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Bro your takes on pvp are garbage. Lying about what you play to try and buff your own class and get others nerfed just makes people ignore your opinion more.

Keep posting on a sock puppet because you are bad at the game.

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no, good pvp’rs in the discoord all agree.

You kids crying on the forums is the minority.

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idk what this post is about seems like total bs as rogue dmg was silent nerfed into the ground. They did used to be insane but full bis rogues with perds are backstab crittin for like only 700 dmg right now lol. Its atrocious in BGs. gotta sit there and spam backstab 10 times on someone to kill them when most those classes can turn around and 2-3 shot you like the egregious army of ret pally bubbles global 1 shotting by just hitting crusader strike, boomies 2 shotting with a starsurge starfire wombo combo, hunters doing 3k instant chimera shots while on the run hopping around like Adderall kids and just doing egregiously nonstop ridiculous damage. Rogue is insanely painful in BGS where the dmg is like shooting a marshmellow gun at 8-10k hp players. this post is a bunch of bs

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Kind of an immeasurable term in SoD/Vanilla without rated PvP.

ermmm… Unless this happened recently, that’s incorrect. Our non crits are 700, unless you’re talking against tank classes or something.

I will say it definitely feels like that. Gotta keep em locked down at all costs, and something like pallies it’s just an avoid at all costs situation.

Sounds like a skill issue still.

Hard to say. Sounds like he got caught in a blind reset by the way he phrased it, so he got two full stun rotations on him and died.

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bro in a BG you are gonna have very very small amount of chances to keep someone locked down in group pvp and get a blind reset and 2 full stun rotations this isnt duels outside the city. When most other classes can melt you in sub 5 seconds by just rolling their face over their keyboard and as a rogue you need like 10+ seconds uninterrupted I really dont see how thats comparable. Idk how you are saying you are non critting 700 unless “against tank classes”… most classes outside of like priest (who have dispersion) and mage (who have ice block) are capable of beingv “tank classes” in sod lol. Very few fights are happening in a vacuum in AB my dude. Sure you can sit at a flag and only defend every game and unless you are only getting pushed by 1 single enemy player every time this fantasy about “its a skill issue” is kind of a ridiculous statement. Rogues can be an effective teammate in group pvp battles at a flag but really feel mostly delegated to being a sap bot and hiding in stealth and only popping out to finish off low hp players. like I get it, rogues have their role and we can be effective beneficial members of the team but in mass pvp rogues are at a bit of a disadvantage compared to most other classes due to the sheer amount of time it takes to burst someone down, how many variables and things need to go your way, and how anybody interfering in the fight 9 out of 10 times will ruin it. Im not saying rogues are completely broken and unplayable but it does feel like alot of the buffs and additions to other classes have really pushed them so far ahead that the strengths and advantages of a rogue in battlegrounds have been severely diminished to the point they are weaker than most other classes and builds. Theres a reason theres so many more rogues stealthed in BRM picking off solos than queuing for BGs who do their entire rank grind without ever stepping foot in AB

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Not really. If you watch all the crying in discoord and you’re actually playing the game and understand how each class works and pvp extensively you will get it.

People crying about boomkin didn’t know you could stun boomy and kill Starfall. Its amazing when you tell people in game and they’re like “wait??? What”???

Sod is just 90% bad pvp’rs. I think the absurd damage and runes lead people to hulk smashing 2 buttons and completely forget about the rest of their kits. Now we have damage reduction and stam buffs and people are losing their minds.

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Can easily happen if you’re solo guarding. I know, foreign concept for most people, but yeah.

… did you seriously just call mages a tank class? Bro I breath on a mage and it dies before it can ice block. “Oh no whatever will I do against a priest who disperses… oh right I’ll just wait for it to end, restun him, and kill him horribly.”

I’m stuck guarding a lot to fill in for idiots ghosting, which results in 1v1’s more frequently.

Bro, when you reference cloth classes as tanky, i don’t know what to tell ya other than skill issue, especially if your crits are only doing 700 damage. It means there is something horribly horribly wrong with your spec, or gear, or runes.

or locking down healers.

Can always go full PvE mut and try to yeet them, though I rather like the rogue aspects of rogue. That said, I don’t spam bgs now that I’m done the honor grind.

Proper foresight goes a long way here, that and perception to spot stealthies.

Get 4 set tier 2, and 5 set zg set, and you’ll be blastin’… Maybe. or you’ll do half the damage you’re supposed to be doing for reasons unbeknownst to me.

Probably cause it’s just a lot more fun, with competitive honor gains.

It’s easy to see when someone’s a noob, but that’s different from seeing someone skilled. Skill is a nuanced thing that this version of the game doesn’t really promote much of, since zug zug.