Rogue 2.0 Class Redesign Proposal

your comparing a spec based on vanilia tuning with today. thats insane.

alot of yall dont even like rtb or slice and dice, you expect me to believe yall would like a finishing move that makes or break one of your best ways to mitigate damage?

sod combat tanking is also probably the least popular tank in that version of the game.

idk why people think rogue tank is a good idea, not like you guys are gonna tank in general.

Rogue tank spec makes it so we can gear ourselves in mythic plus by tanking it. Thus making rogue’s have more options in the role we play in a group.

Aka we become hybrid. It’s great for those that want it and those who don’t still have have 3 dps specs and can ignore it.

Frankly I think all 4 pure dps should get a 4th spec so that everyone is a hybrid with 2 viable roles.

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A Rogue tank would be much different from Monk and DH. See the Artful Dodger D&D reference listed in my main post as well as general explanation.

https:// dnd4.fandom. com/wiki/Rogue

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i mean if your playing rogue, then your not gonna tank. most rogue players picked rogue just to dps and do the rogue fantasy, tanking is the antithesis to rogue fantasy

i dont think they should od any more new specs especially tanking specs if they can balancing the 6 tanks we have properly.

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I understand where you’re coming from. But after years of being dps only I am coming from a standpoint of what is practical.

If Blizzard is going to do what they have done in the past and make rogue dps be in the toilet or impractically hard to play consistently, then it stands to reason that having a tank role in pocket helps us.

At this point we need to put fantasy aside and focus on not being left on the bench for every other dps role out there that is a lot more versatile and easier to play. Those other classes also bust out more dps on average.

Dps only is fine normally, just not in the environment Blizzard keeps making.

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Its not practical, its delusional.

Pure delusion. ā€œThey keep 3 specs in the gutter consistently, surely itll be better with a 4th specā€. Mind you Rogue is doing well right now.

Literally every time we’ve done that, the class has played atrociously. Happened back in BfA with artifact power and gear that had nothing to do with the specs. Happened again in SL with cov abilities that matched the covenants but didnt match the rogue specs. We see it again with the hero talents. The issue isnt a focus on fantasy, its poor design. Id argue the fantasy focus should actually be doubled down on, not by simply changing spec names and dropping in a few new OP abilties, but by actually making stuff that makes sense.

Crackshot came of the fantasy focus. It made sense. It was initially loved. What made players hate it was the eventual lack of alternatives cause Blizzard quit iterating again. You need to stop spreading nonsense.

So many words and all I read was bla bla bla I don’t like you, bla bla your wrong because I don’t like you.

I get it, stop responding to me please. You complain about my dribble but by reposting it you are only making more people read it.

Move on! Nothing to see here. I’m sorry someone mended your rear end closed and your full of it, quit making it my problem.

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You wouldnt feel this way if you didnt fill every response with delusional nonsense :slightly_smiling_face:. Maybe stop posting delusional nonsense :slightly_smiling_face:

I am 99% sure that rogues were a tanking class in alpha vanilla, able to equip shields and all. yes it got dropped so it’s not

I mean there is precedent for it. Like I said, 4th spec would be ok.

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Sub definitely is! Good god, you guys literally are dropping nukes.

They could equip bucklers, but not sure if they were a tanking class. Iirc, so could disc priests though and I’m not so sure if they were ever intended to be a tank spec.

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Im not :neutral_face:. Wont be seeing Netherprism or those boots until 11.2.5 at this rate :face_exhaling:.

That was more than 20 years ago

Exactly. .

20 years is not a long time gen z.

:surfing_man: :surfing_woman:

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Why mention it then? It’s so old during alpha of vanilia. It’s a different game now

Rogue having a tank spec is just not really realistic. Yes Sod had one but keep in mind Sod is different from retail, worlds apart. Not to mention rogue tank was the least played spec in sOD

Heck if we’re going by player metric, warlock tank has more of a chance to be a 4th spec

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the reason to mention it is because the game is over 20 and it’s a different game now.
I’m not pushing for a rogue tank, I clearly said if they added a 4th spec it very could be a tanking spec. Remember dodge tanking back in BC? I’d give it a play if they added a 4th spec and introduced tanking. I’d give rogue healer a gander if they added it. running around poking people with acupuncture needles and cutting lines of copium .

Rogue tanks have existed up until MoP so yeah get used to seeing the concept.

:surfing_man: :surfing_woman:

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Classic exists and there was no instance where a rogue tank appeared in any raid from Vanilia classic to cataclysm classic. Stop lying

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Rogues could tank content in heroics not just raids so yeah you are too young to remember this.

MoP was the last time because Rogues had CR, Two Evasions (with Prep) and Evasion glyphs that extended duration of Evasion. Combined with new functionality of Feint in MoP (damage reduction shield wall) and yes it was possible.

It was even better in TBC/WotLK/Cata era when Rogues had higher natural dodge change too and Agility granted a bonus to dodge too.

:surfing_man: :surfing_woman:

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We have logs from classic and old school vids. If a rogue tanked, they were trolling or something went wrong. Any dps from that era could ā€œtankā€ ret could bubble tank during tbc to mop and beyond, warlock could ā€œtankā€, warrior could also tank. Just because a dps spec has the defensive power to slip into the role. Doesn’t mean they can be classified as a tank

Outlaw today can ā€œtankā€ its bulky enough to ā€œtankā€ doesn’t mean that it should tank

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