RIP TBC Arena

[Bearhands-faerlina]

Arena gear wasnt available for honor until S3 when you could buy S2 for reduced points or S1 for honor

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Gankzilla-thunderfury

YOU COULD NOT buy a s1 gladiator weapon during s1 for honor.

You could buy a S1 weapon for honor after s2 started.

Yes and you’ll be able to buy an honor weapon starting in S1 this time around.

[Bearhands-faerlina]

You made a lot of good points but you’re wrong here. ZA /2.3 was S3.
S2 for reduced cost, no rating
S1 for honor

In s2, S1 glad gear will have no rating requirement and a reduced cost but will still cost arena points

[Zinqf-herod]

@Gankzilla-thunderfury

YOU COULD NOT buy a s1 gladiator weapon during s1 for honor.

You could buy a S1 weapon for honor after s2 started.

Tiering actually went like this…
Current Season - Lots of Arena points
Previous Season - Discounted Arena points
Two Seasons Ago - Honor points

So S1 arena gear went for honor in S3 and S2 arena gear went for honor in S4.

[Stonecastle-herod]

@Bearhands-faerlina

Arena gear wasnt available for honor until S3 when you could buy S2 for reduced points or S1 for honor

The dates are close, so I understand your confusion. You could buy S1 arena gear for HONOR on November 13th, 2007. Season THREE did not start until November 28th, 2007. Thus you could, in fact, buy S1 arena gear for HONOR before Season 3.

[Zinqf-herod]

@Stonecastle-herod

The dates are close, so I understand your confusion. You could buy S1 arena gear for HONOR on November 13th, 2007. Season THREE did not start until November 28th, 2007

roflmao…so you double down as there was a 2 week calculation period between seasons. In other words everyone else is still right and S2 ENDED…then the gear was buyable. So this was season 3, it just wasn’t the part of season 3 that people were allowed to play each other on.

[Stonecastle-herod]

Technically correct is the best kind of correct.

[Zinqf-herod]

You are incorrect. Here’s the timeline…

Season 2 ended
Season 2 games can no longer be played
Season 2 calculation period starts
Season 3 starts
Season 1 gear can be bought for honor
Season 2 calculation period ends and rewards and titles are issued
Season 3 games can be played

The limbo period IS the next season, just arena games were not being played then.

[Stonecastle-herod]

November 13th is before November 28th. This is derailing the thread.

[Blastwave-grobbulus]

There are a lot of bad players who wanted to enjoy the arena. Now its just a waste of time.

[Zinqf-herod]

@Stonecastle-herod

November 13th is before November 28th. This is derailing

You are a troll. Using this logic, the TBC Prepatch is actually Vanilla WoW since TBC technically didn’t start.

[Stonecastle-herod]

@Zinqf-herod

Using this logic, the TBC Prepatch is actually Vanilla WoW since TBC technically didn’t start.

??

I said that you could buy S1 arena gear for honor before Season 3. That’s absolutely correct. S3 didn’t start until November 28th and you could buy the gear on November 13th. How are we even arguing about this? Because you’re considering the 2-3 week lull between seasons as the start of the next season?! Why? Semantics?

I won’t be responding again. Believe whatever you want, I guess. But if one of us is trolling, it’s not the guy that can read a calendar.

[Bearhands-faerlina]

That was pretty clearly incorrect… Season 2 had already ended. At best, its pre-S3 or Post S2… But there’s no interpretation where you’re correct in saying that it’s buyable for honor in Season 2

[Bearhands-faerlina]

@Stonecastle-herod

I said that you could buy S1 arena gear for honor before Season 3.

That’s pretty clearly not what you said, lol. I mean… we only have to scroll up like 10 posts…

@Stonecastle-herod

In Season 2 you could buy an S1 gladiator epic weapon FOR HONOR and it completely trivialized weapon progression.

Season 2 had ended. No more arena games were able to be played. Clearly not S2…

[Soulscapex-tichondrius]

@Pwnytailz-fairbanks

If retail PVP participation is low, TBC participation will be even lower.

thats definitely not true. theyre two completely different styles of gameplay, and theres ALOT of old school pvpers who have been waiting to go back to tbc/wrath. alot of people that i know are going to leave retail and go to tbc for pvp because retail has been a shtshow for pvp ever since wod came out and they change a shift in class design.

@Pwnytailz-fairbanks

You need a charter, need to pay, new team rating resets to zero, no LFG UI, and no cross-realm (you can only play on teams from your own server).

when all of those things existed, pvp was at its highest point ever. thats an extremely weak argument to “participation being low.”

[Bearhands-faerlina]

@Soulscapex-tichondrius

thats definitely not true. theyre two completely different styles of gameplay, and theres ALOT of old school pvpers who have been waiting to go back to tbc/wrath. alot of people that i know are going to leave retail and go to tbc for pvp because retail has been a shtshow for pvp since wod came out.

This. I’ve seen a lot of the same. A lot of the hardcore retail guys who turned their nose up at Classic are coming back for the PVP since most have such fond memories of TBC arena’s and retail is kind of a $#@$show right now

[Soulscapex-tichondrius]

@Bearhands-faerlina

This. I’ve seen a lot of the same. A lot of the hardcore retail guys who turned their nose up at Classic are coming back for the PVP since most have such fond memories of TBC arena’s and retail is kind of a $#@$show right now

yeah, plus alot of pvpers are old school players anyway, who started back in tbc/wrath etc who know the difference between the two “styles” of pvp that blizzard has had.

[Graendoll-emerald-dream]

@Stonecastle-herod

They were BiS for some specs, like Enhancement.

This + the changes to blacksmithing

Poor enhancement shamans.

[Bearhands-faerlina]

I mean, no one was bringing them for their personal dps anyway.

[Pwnytailz-fairbanks]

@Soulscapex-tichondrius

when all of those things existed, pvp was at its highest point ever. thats an extremely weak argument to “participation being low.”

You are using arena participation over 12 years ago to conclude arena participation will be active in TBC:C? Talk about extremely weak.

Back in original TBC, WoW had over 10 million subscribers. TBC would be lucky to break 2 million, if that. Once all the retail players bail who are used to instant queues, personal rating, cross-realm groups, easy epics, and the LFG UI, that number will drop even more. I’d be shocked if there are more than 10,000 players total in the entire US and EU brackets by the end of the season.

Throw in the fact that raiding gear is just as good, or better, than a lot of Arena gear, and warriors and rets will craft their weapons, there really isn’t any incentive for casual players to PVP in S1.