Well the extra development is what made him such a great character and villain.
The problem isn’t that people we hate are getting too much development time, it’s that those they’re pushing on us as the new leaders aren’t getting enough.
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Which, in conclusion, means they want to make sure we hate our “villains” enough to be happy when they’re replaced, but don’t care if we like the replacements. Sad.
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That or they just enjoy writing villains more than they do the good guys.
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Yep, that would be this famed “horde bias” everybody’s talking about 
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You know this has taught me a valuable lesson, Like a character or hate a character just because blizzard gives a character exposure doesn’t mean they will actually survive or be used in the future.
If anything the players probably need too come together telling blizzard
“If you give a character a ton of screen time, maybe…don’t kill them off immediately next xpac, especially if one side already feels they’ve lost so much the previous xpac”
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Is he though? I know that everyone has an opinion and they’re perfectly right to have their own look on things, but I really don’t see anything great about him.
He is rude and condescending all the time and he is doing everything his woman. I’m not saying that he should’ve been completely removed, but if the development really didn’t go forward the above description then why using him over and over again even in places he was not supposed to be? (Like Dazar’Alor). Voicing a huge chunk of World Quests, being part of so man questlines, imagine receiving a new Forsaken character that is neither pro Sylvanas and neither pro Calia (so another extreme) and developing actually interesting alternative?
At least transition from Sylvanas cult to something new would be better, and they wouldn’t end up in as paintful - if not more painful situation than Darkspears ended in Legion.
In the end Darkspears still Had a Rokhan who received quite a lot of positive depiction in BfA.
Forsaken are stuck with Lillian and Calia. None of them really are Forsaken.
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Great as in “well written and entertaining character” which he serves as a villain. Blizzard honestly did a good job making us hate his guts.
Never meant to say he was great in the form of being “A Good Guy”.
And I agree that Rokhan is awesome.
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Dd it though? Make him a great villain? Most people who dislike him seem to pity him or dislike them because of his attitude.
Great villain sounds different to me. But… many seem happy they get to fight him.
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Many seem to really dislike him. I really don’t see why, yes I know their reasons. I don’t like, or dislike him.
That was the answer I asked about though.
You know, this is the thing. Forsaken HAD an identity separated from Sylvanas (though I agree this changed in Cata; but they DID have goals and aspirations of their own), and a home they fought for. Heck THAt was basically THEIR identity (recovering monsters fighting for their right to keep their homeland from people that didn´t recognize their existence -yup, for the former Alliance characters, Forsaken didn´t have any “rightful claim” over Lordaeron simply because they weren´t “alive” in the traditional sense of the word-, ergo the appeal of the race and the explanation that made their borderline evil acts more appealing to the players).
You vouch for treating the Forsaken like a new race, and I say THIS is EXACTLY what Blizz devs pretend to do with the introduction of Calia, and I say Forsaken / Horde players and fans have ALL the right in rejecting such awful narrative direction. You know why? Cause it´s supremely a-holish to sell something to people for 15+ years just to end up destroying it in the most underwhelming way possible just to reform it according to the tastes of people that literally wanted the opposite stuff (the whole Calia disaster appeals to the MHP of these forums; so much some even have the gal to say maybe after Calia Queen is instated then she can take the Forsaken to the Alliance once again). NOBODY wants to hear how the thing they have been buying for their enjoyment for more than a decade has to become something completely different just because players NOT interested in buying it would prefer it but with the changes. That´s monumentally disrespectful to the people buying the orginal stuff and acting like faithful costumers.
It´s like Coca cola reforming the flavor of their brand to appeal the Mountain Dew consumers. It´s a very big no-no bussiness wise.
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Man, I think were on TOTALLY different thought processes, here. You guys understand how primogeniture succession works, right? The Kingdom of Lordaeron is a hereditary monarchy with primogeniture succession. With the “death” of Arthas and no more male heirs, the right to the crown falls on King Terenas Menethil II’s oldest daughter, Princess Calia Menethil. Only SHE has ANY right to rule the Kingdom of Lordaeron. THIS is why she is the best candidate and my hope is that they give her more development in the coming expansions. Don’t you guys think the Forsaken have had enough of being viewed as evil? They’re humans who, while looking different, are still the same inhabitants of Lordaeron that they were during the reign of the King. They’ve simply chosen the side that didn’t label them monsters. Now that the dictatorship of undead female Stalin is over, I think it’s about time Lordaeron returned to their traditions and restore the monarchy that was forcefully taken from them by Arthas. Obviously, they should stay in the Horde. I would never wish having to align with the Alliance on anyone. The only thing they got going for them are Humans and Draenai lol
Calia Menethil (pre-patch):
Lady Menethil is fine. Calia is even better. I gave up my claim to the throne long ago.
Well, the problem that is, funny enough, admitted by the devs, and largely ingored by the playerbase is that the kingdom of Lordaeron… have both the undead and the living, and the nation is split between 2 factions.
My personal problem was when I though that the devs would use a custom definition of “her people” to somehow include a bunch of forsaken who never were of Lordaeron origin, and forget about the living side. They did not. So, I am fine with just “wait and see” on that topic. For now at least.
I do not think that the players who wanted to play the forsaken would be happy to learn that the devs suddenly decided to pull the rug from under their feet. I do not think that there is a substitute for the race. So, what would be the option? Go play another game? Does not sound clever to me.
gl hf
I personally don’t like this because in my view, that system of government died and there’s no reason to return to it other than pure nostalgia. Just because Sylvanas is borked, it doesn’t mean that the divine right of kings should apply when that same divinity has left them feeling forsaken.
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