lulz 10 characters
this entire thread is about what people said Paladins couldn’t do for years
let me refresh your memory:
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This thread is about a bug that allows paladins to generate a lot of threat. Tanking isn’t just about generating threat. You also have to mitigate damage. It does no good being on top of threat meters if you can’t take damage. Above all though you simply need to be able to do the encounter, and Paladins can not tank every encounter that requires an OT due to mechanics.
Yes, a paladin can tank raids. They can’t tank every encounter due to mechanics, but you can carry a prot paladin in your raid.
But they are absolutely not good. They take too much damage and can’t even do their job on a handful of encounters.
not according to Kevin Jordan - since Classic’s 1.13 Righteous Fury is taken directly from the 1.12 Vanilla reference client
#NoChanges
#WartsAndAll
As far as mitigating damage - you might want to learn about Fury/Prot dual wield Warriors…
Case in point…
LeoLast Tuesday at 10:57 PM
Mitigation isnt an issue. Skarm just tanked all of MC with 315 defense, lol
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That isn’t new. I used to DW tank farm content during retail vanilla, which is what these pserver players are doing in your videos. You can do all sorts of crazy stuff when you have bis, like letting a paladin tank.
If anything you are just further proving why a prot paladin is pointless. If all he is doing is spamming buffs, he is doing no damage. The super min/maxed fury/prot warrior is at least contributing raid damage.
Oh, did I mention that that fury/prot warrior is able to tank every fight that requires a tank? Do you know who can’t?
“You also have to mitigate damage. It does no good being on top of threat meters if you can’t take damage.”
Lol a Prot Paladin mitigates more than a dual wield Fury Warrior tanking
#JustSayin
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Reading comprehension fail. Mitigation isn’t that big of a deal when you outgear the content. Ironically, outgearing the content is what makes paladin tanks more viable.
i hear MC is srs business…
PS
LeoLast Tuesday at 10:57 PM
Mitigation isnt an issue. Skarm just tanked all of MC with 315 defense, lol
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What is that? Skarm tanked MC on Classic last Tuesday night? Skarm tanked MC last Tuesday night on a pserver 3 years ago? That’s not a link and has nothing telling me what when or where it is from. L2Link padawan.
If you are saying warriors can tank without defense…duh. We have an ability called shield block. If we don’t dodge or parry an attack it is blocked, and blocked attacks can’t crit or crush. Most warriors are going in to MC wearing a mix of valor and hit hit gear.
remind me again how you use shield block while dual wield tanking
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You said nothing about DW tanking. You posted some obscure…quote? I’m assuming, with absolutely no context.
I’d ask you to use your words, but we all know you are dodging so you don’t have to defend your weak point. Enjoy hitting 60 and being introduced to reality, and reality is no serious guild is using a prot paladin to tank. Though I assume you are spending most of your time on retail, or moved on to the TBC pservers, you obviously spend more time on the forums than you do playing the game you claim to know so much about.
i literally posted Skarm’s dual wield fury tanking videos bro…
I’m talking about
This at the bottom, that had nothing to do with the Naxx videos you posted. Thank you for giving me context. So a Naxx geared tank tanked MC with no defense while dual wielding. Whoopdee friggin do.
If this is the point you are making then I concede. Your naxx geared prot paladin will be allowed to tank MC without a problem…See you in ~16 months.
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Well, it depends on the talent build you chose, obviously.
If you’re going into Holy with healing talents, you won’t have the talent points for Blessing of Kings and Seal of Command without sacrificing some talents in the trees. You’re already the least effective tank spec to begin with, and you’re making yourself even moreso so that you can heal on the fights where you’re not needed.
Thorgrim is right. There’s never really a point where you would want your tanks to be healers when they aren’t DPSing. You want the same number of healers, generally, and on fights where only one tank is needed, the other tanks DPS instead.
In general throughout this thread, or in response to this part of the discussion specifically?
Overall, I’m arguing against the advocacy for Prot Paladins, because despite their ability to hold aggro with this method, they’re still worse tanks.
A Fury Warrior wearing a shield would be a vastly better tank, and wouldn’t be worthless when they aren’t required to tank.
It’s still a bug; it’s just one that existed in 1.12, similar to the Anger Management talent for Warriors.
All the more reason Prot Paladins aren’t good tanks. They don’t pull nearly the DPS that a Fury/Prot Warrior would.
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Skarm = the dual wield fury tank who made those videos
and he tanked MC last week on CLASSIC
it’s not hard to comprehend
and yet they do much more threat 
which is a big deal come Naxx - hence Feral Druids using MCPs on threat intensive fights like Thaddius
I actually don’t know the kind of threat Fury/Prot is generating. I’m willing to concede it’s probably less than a Prot Paladin, but an excess of threat is not as good as enough threat and lots more DPS.
i merely put it out there because Thorgrim wants to have his cake and eat it too…
he has flip flopped repeatedly by saying threat does and then does not matter likewise mitigation does and does not matter.
He has done no such thing. Mitigation matters. Mitigation doesn’t mean blocking with a shield, Let me post this here to help you out.
mit·i·ga·tion
/ˌmidəˈɡāSH(ə)n/
*noun*
1. the action of reducing the severity, seriousness, or painfulness of something.
Skarm had mitigation. He may not have had defense(not needed anyways), or even a shield, but he was somehow mitigating damage. Based on what little I know of him, I assume it was with an insane amount of world buffs and consumables, I also doubt he did this wearing his pre raid bis.
he was mashing /sit to maintain permanent Enrage bro
how do I know this?
##Skarm05/20/2019
I’m going off of tanking naxx twice a week on both toons for about 6 months, both with bis gear
And yeah I/sit to enrage
TLDR - a Prot Paladin has more mitigation than a dual wield Fury Warrior tank while putting out more threat than them at the same time.
I give up, you need to learn to quote if you are going to debate.
##Thesorus07/17/2021
Hey guys, I finally hit 60 after time travel was discovered and am just coming to tell you I still don’t know how to quote and provide sources to back up my nonsense.
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