Okay? If someone gets offended at something that’s innocent and isn’t breaking any rules, chances are they’ll be the only one reporting them and nothing’s going to happen anyway.
I think the system itself is fine and doesn’t need to be changed.
Dude, even if I had a citation for something so obvious, you simply are not worth it.
bleh i can only deal with a few willfully obtuse people a day that cant even admit to their own motivations for doing anything and the for those people to push their agenda on other unwilling participants …
its too much.
the system would be fine if it were changed.
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Wanting civility and ability to communicate clearly and effectively in public channels, quite a whacky “agenda”.
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Oh, darn, you got me there, Twinky. The majority clearly cares very much about rcr. As evidenced by you 6 or 7 posters and your alts who harp on it daily. It would take some solid facts to prove otherwise. 
I think it’s fine now. So now what?
You’re oversimplifying my argument a bit. I don’t want RCR removed simply because some people might abuse it for mild infractions.
My idea would be more like this:
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Relax the EULA, so that there were less things you could actually be actioned on. I think this would make a little bit better community, because the varying levels of offence that people take to what is said varies dramatically from person to person. I’m happy enough to concede that you could still get actioned for death threats, calling for genocide etc, but I dislike having to self-censor for the most easily offended people on the server. You might say that I probably won’t get reported for minor stuff, and you are probably right, but the fear is still there, because they can report you for relatively small things, and I think that detracts a lot from the health of the community.
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I’d expand ignore infinitely and give it timers, so the people who are offended by everything can ignore to their hearts content, while everyone who is not offended can continue to see things that don’t offend them. This would take care of a lot of the things that I would like to see removed from the EULA, like “vulgar language”, in a game with a profanity filter.
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I’d keep RCR purely for gold sellers, and action those who used it for other purposes. That’s supposedly the reason blizzard implemented it in the first place, which I think is fine.
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I’d return reporting to the days where you actually had to write a reason why you were reporting. I just think it’s better. If someone says something truly horrible to you, that is still an actionable offence, then I don’t believe that “I’m too lazy to write a report” or “I shouldn’t be punished by having to spend 2 minutes writing a report” is a good argument to keep RCR. Vanilla was a slow game, and I think that reporting should be slow as well. It would make the decision something like, “I can ignore this guy faster than I can report him”, which I think is preferable in most instances, unless, like I said, it is something particularly egregious.
I don’t think any of this is particularly unreasonable. Honestly I’d just prefer it if they had a first amendment server, but that has approximately zero chance of ever happening, much like anything even remotely similar to what I just wrote. I’m still going to talk about it though, because I’m certainly not the only one who feels this way.
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I mean, I could report you for saying “the” if I wanted, but that doesn’t mean anything is going to happen from it, and that I wouldn’t get punished for doing so. I think the only people who should be worried are extremely toxic jerks who deserve it.
I think RCR is fine because even without it, that’s what I’d do. I would prefer just click reporting to having to go back to writing tickets, but even if that wasn’t the case, nothing at all would change except for the squelching part. You’d still get actioned, and punished, if you were breaking rules.
Vanilla is a slow game from a gameplay standpoint, but having to report stuff isn’t really supposed to be a part of that.
The amount of private groups/companies who have a “first amendment whatever”, and no rules whatsoever, are extremely low. For a good reason.
Have you actually read the EULA and seen what you’re not actually allowed to say? It’s kind of vague and open to interpretation, but “vulgar language” is definitely on there, which is ludicrous for a game with a profanity filter. And seeing as it is in the EULA, one can only assume that you can get punished for it. I really don’t think swearing is limited to “toxic jerks”, which is a pretty subjective term in itself.
I know. Which is why I said it’d be nice if the rules were a bit more relaxed. The bar for being punished would be a bit higher.
It was how reporting was dealt with for the entirety of vanilla.
Having 200 normal servers and 1 with no speech rules other than things that are illegal. What’s the good reason that can’t happen?
I would hope stuff like that is rather common sense, but who can tell these days?
shrug Time and time again I’ve explained precisely what I’m against and what I’d use the RCR for.
I’m well aware.
I don’t think it’d be a very popular server aside from a few wannabe shockjocks. I do prefer a little structure in my games.
Wow. Do you really actually believe that? Surely you’re aware that there are large swathes of people that don’t like censorship in the world of online gaming. There’s guys on youtube that get millions of views doing videos for people that are totally sick of it. You don’t need to be a shockjock to desire to speak freely. I’m not convinced that people like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were just edgelords in their mums basements.
An “anything goes” server? A server where it’s okay to say literally anything you want? Where it’s okay to spout every racist, sexist, vile thing you can think of 24/7, where you can verbally bully anyone you want into submission? No, I don’t think it would be very popular. Even though for some I probably just literally described Heaven for them, lmao.
Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were smart men and I’m sure they knew how to behave in public.
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Invoking the names of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison over not being able to spew vulgarities without consequence in a video game is… extremely disgusting.
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There would still be an ignore function, making it quite difficult to harass someone if they didn’t want it. I’m telling you, a lot more people than you think would play on servers like that.
I also agree that Jefferson and Madison were smart, which is why I mentioned them. But “behaving in public” back then and now are two very different things. They had dueling after all.
Spare me your faux outrage. The consequence is being ignored by people who don’t want to listen to you. If people are fine with what you say, then they are allowed to continue enjoying what you say without someone else telling them that they can’t.
I used to play on a game server pretty close to that. It was the Sullon Zek server in EverQuest. An unfettered, no-holds-barred, no-rules PvP server that was designated as the most hardcore PvP server in the game. Everything went on that server; killing and camping, training mobs, every heinous act you could think of to hurt the other players.
My friend and I played on that server up until the point we officially quit the live game shortly before WoW came out. We thought it was the greatest thing ever as we could grief the enemy team as much as we wanted. We pulled off every nasty little trick you could think of to screw with people. We camped newbies. We teamed up on farmers and stole their hard-earned plat. We got a dark elf KoS to the entirety of her own home city. We cursed and insulted folks to our heart’s content. We saw it almost as our solemn duty as part of the underdog team to make the lives of the enemy teams as much of a living hell as possible.
But at the time? He was 13. I was 15. We were stupid kids and we grew out of that phase eventually. Sullon Zek was the lowest pop server in the entire game at the time by a large margin. I fully believe that it wouldn’t be a hugely popular server and I expect I know the type of crowd that would inhabit it.
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That’s right. You got to play on a server like that because it was available, and you chose to. Now it’s becoming an increasingly rare option, which is the reason I think more people would be into it than you think. Even just to play alts on for some laughs. You may not be 15 anymore, but there’s still plenty of 15 year olds. I’d definitely roll a character on a server like that, and from what you just said I’ve got a good few years on you. Better yet, you’d probably get rid of the most toxic players from all the other servers, so you’d have more peace. It’s win-win. Do you want to start the petition or shall I? 
I never said that I’d be opposed to such a server. I’m only saying that I don’t think it’d be as popular as you think. Maybe today’s age is different though and I could be wrong. Who knows? The similar situation I played on was the lowest-pop server in the game at the time. If you can get it implemented, more power to you. I won’t stand in the way. xD
Just leave the regular servers and the RCR feature they have alone lols.
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I knew you’d try and slip that into the agreement. The battle rages on.
I mean, why not? If you had your server implemented, would it matter?