Its embarrassing how many people don’t know this. I don’t know what they are teaching in schools these days. Its really bizarre. Invoking the flag because a game company decides on rules for communication in their own game makes you look like the biggest doofus in the world. Like you were in the corner eating glue and paint chips off the wall while they were teaching the history of the country.
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Most people not born in the US have had to learn this lesson directly, every time someone from the US is told to shut up and starts screaming about their “God given right to offend”.
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The First Amendment means the government can’t arrest you for talking crap about the government. It doesn’t mean that anyone else has to listen to your bullsh1t, or that you can’t be banned or booted off platforms for it. If you spout hate speech in Trade Chat and have your account banned, your freedom of speech isn’t being violated, it just means that Blizzard thinks you’re an @sshole, and they’re showing you the door. Buh-bye.
The fact that the same tool (right-click reporting) judges hate speech, gold selling, people saying they like pineapples on pizza (they deserve a ban for that, honestly), and Chuck Norris jokes as the same, giving out the same automatic punishments if people right-click them, is why people have a problem with Right-click reporting. If it opened a GM ticket and attached a log of what was happening, so they can catch goldsellers and racist dumbasses, then no one would have a problem. It is the fact that people can get squelched for spouting heresy like saying there isn’t anything wrong with wearing socks with sandals that is the problem.
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You know. If people are going to say that… they probably deserve it.
In one post you say the online world IS part of the real world, then you talk about how the free speech that exists in the real world shouldn’t be allowed in the online world. Now I’m fully aware that blizzard is allowed to do this by law, but you certainly sound like a hypocrite when you say things like this.
There is still NO good argument that RCR is better than ignoring. There is NO good argument that YOU should be allowed to control the speech of people that I and others wish to see or not. This is a personal decision for everybody. If you’re offended, it doesn’t mean that I am. You want to engineer culture. You want to be the moral arbiter of what is right and wrong. Let me ask you, is there any one person that you would choose to decide what speech you can and cannot hear? If the answer is anybody but yourself, then you are lying. And because the answer is yourself, then ignore is the only solution. How is this complicated?
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The final word:
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The best and only argument is that it works. Blizzard has said this. It’s the reason the punishment system – silencing – was created: the only punishment (temporary bans) wasn’t working.
The game is Blizzard’s ‘house’. Just as you do in your house, Blizzard dictates how its guests – us-- behave.
GMs can already see that log. Keep in mind everything you do in WoW is logged.
Ignore works too. Why do you think people are making noise about this? We like ignore better than RCR and we want them to change it. We may be guests, but we pay their bills.
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Uh, no. You need to go back to your Civics class.
There is no freedom of speech in private life. If you start insulting Jewish people in my house, I’ll kick you out the door. Why? Because you have no freedom to spout that garbage in my house. A lack of freedom of speech is part of the real world too. The government cannot impair your right to free speech, but private entities, like me in my own home, can ban you from it just fine.
No, people declaring the inalienable right to offend people, are the ones who are hypocrites. Because you’re literally telling us that we can’t say you deserve to be silenced on a private platform, which if you were the government, would be a denial of freedom of speech, but since you aren’t, you can still say it.
That’s the point. Laws regulate the minimum, they do not regulate morals, decency or common sense. The first amendment to the US Constitution protects people from, and only from The Government. Not each other.
“I” am not. If you claim this you are either misrepresenting the situation, or ignorant of how it works. I’ll let you decide which one you are.
RCR is a voting tool. Blizzard has asked us to vote when people are being offensive. If enough people consider you offensive, Blizzard has decided that it is better for the experience, to mute you.
To repeat: Blizzard has decided to mute you, based on our feedback.
No other player controls you, we are merely voicing our opinion to Blizzard in a way that they are choosing to act upon. If enough people agree that you need to shut the hell up, Blizzard will oblige. They are under no obligation to do so, but are happy to accept the “will of the people” in these situations.
Because you have an overweening sense of your own voice’s self worth.
Correct. But there is so much going on, that they use player feeback to direct them to things that need to be looked at. I’m not a fan of automated bans, but luckily the only automated implication of RCR is temporary silences.
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nice goal post shift. You say the real world, and then the real world turns into “private life”. I’m not in your house. Nor would I want to be. I may be in blizzards house. But we all pay rent there. Do you like democracy? Want to put it to a poll RCR vs ignore? I’d take that bet in a heartbeat.
I know… which is why I explicitly stated that I’m fully aware that blizzard is allowed to do this. Did you miss that part?
That’s not how voting works. When was the last time there was an election with one option and only people who were offended showed up to vote and the only option was to get rid of what people were offended by? All the people who are fine with the way things are weren’t given an option. You’re just not making sense.
There is still NO principled argument that ignore is worse than RCR, yet there is plenty of reason that RCR is worse than ignore. I’m starting to get an authoritarian vibe from you. Ignore does what you need. It gets rid of people who you dont want to see. RCR gets rid of it for everybody.
oh… and #nochanges … this wasnt in vanilla.
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Trying to figure out if it is curt or whiskee/saqe.
Haha. “Abusive.” The only abuse going on is the abuse of layering and the automated punishments from RCR.
Freedom of speech applies to all aspects of life.
Don’t conflate the rights recognized by the first amendment with freedom of speech as a concept in English commonlaw.
The first amendment protects you from the federal government violating your freedom of speech. That doesn’t mean you only have freedom of speech when it comes to the federal government.
Legally speaking, you’re absolutely correct. That doesn’t mean you aren’t violating their free speech.
Free speech is not granted to you by the government. It is only protected against the government.
This would be perfect reasonable, if you weren’t deciding for OTHERS what THEY can listen to.
Banning/silencing people isn’t deciding that YOU don’t want to listen to it; it’s deciding that NO ONE is allowed to listen to it.
If you don’t want to listen to someone, use /ignore like an adult instead of trying to censor everything you don’t like.
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Don’t you love how they cite “in my house” instead of “a public place.”
You can’t run around a park slapping duct tape on peoples mouths because you don’t want to hear them.
That more simple?
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waiting for some of yall to bankroll the gm’s so there is no right click report. until then guess what its not going away bc Blizz WILL not have the amount of GM’s they had in vanilla.
Blizzard’s game isn’t a public place, either. It’s a fair enough analogy.
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The park is WoW. The people there are all guests.
Why turn it into a damn popularity contest of who is allowed to speak?
You also can’t yell fire in a crowded space.
But I doubt you understand that.
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