those added because old content was worthless and people just wanted to get to TBC as soon possible and since the extra quests in the 45-52 range didn’t remove the 35-45 gap, just made it a little less punishing if you fell into it, Dustwallow was revamped to end it completely.
BUT…that is counter to what vanilla was supposed to be. Since it allowed you to ignore that 2/3 of world’s content existed and just beeline from level 1 to level 58 in a pretty much linear path with very little deviation wasted on “exploring useless content”. And keeping in mid, TBC waited until basically the end to do it. They are just prepping for the next expansion by that point.
Which has been a common problem in vanilla since day 1. The game was designed to encourage you to go and see and explore this giant world they’ve made, and a lot of people would rather grind (while complaining constantly about not having enough quests) than actually go and do the content they made for you level with.
now some breadcrumbs are hard to find and not every class gets quests to encourage them to explore, though a lot of those are pretty minor overall.
The alliance breadcrumb to go desolace is probably the hardest one in the game to find, since it’s in a backroom in the Cathedral that you have zero reason to visit. And leads to the big Scarlet Monestary chain.
There’s also another big chain you have literally no reason to ever find it. It’s in the middle of freaking no where and no hints what so ever to go there and look for it, and it’s NOT a quest-giver, it’s an item on the ground in a really poor area of visibility that results in a giant quest-chain worth almost a level worth of experience to do it.
Thorium Point was also added as a MC catch-up mechanic, since it allowed you to get Thorium Brotherhood rep more easily. same deal with adding Dark Iron nodes to the over-world instead of them only spawning in BRD.
Okay well, Raventusk village was released in patch 1.5… BWL was Released in 1.6… So when do you think they should release this “QUEST HUB” for the horde? since it was in the game before BWL? gate it for a month and make horde dig for quests or even grind hours? makes no sense. Put both of these in the game on release.
Although I personally don’t think the Revantusk quest rewards make a material difference either way, the compromise could be to gate those particular Jintha’alor quests.
The rewards is not the ask. The ask is to not launch with the outdated and incomplete leveling experience.
it’s the same phase as BWL. 1.5 and 1.6 are phase 3.
And IMO that’s where they should stay.
let people learn to level properly, and then use the catch-up quest hubs for alts later.
It’ll also be a good speed-bump. People trying to ignore 2/3 of the content will hit the 35-45 gap and have to grind their way through it, just like before, while people taking the time to smell the roses will slide right through.
(also, this isn’t just a horde quest hub, Alliance ALSO got an expanded quest hub in 1.5, with Feralas gaining a bunch of new Feathermoon Stronghold quests).
Seeing as the Revantusk and Thorium Point and so many other quests were added to the game in patch 1.5, I thought it would be interesting to point out that:
the Arena Grand Master quest (Gurubashi Trinket; https://web.archive.org/web/20060428084857/http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=7810) currently does appear to be in the beta - added in patch 1.5… but;
the Cloth Donation quests (Donation of Wool, et al; http://web.archive.org/web/20060526225609/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=7836) do not appear in to be the beta… and were also added to the game in patch 1.5.
I guess we will see where we land with all of these in the coming weeks
I definitely agree with the OP that these quest hubs should be activated from launch. I have nothing else to add because I feel the OP added adequate arguments and I agree with all his points.
Please consider adding both of these questing zones in at launch.
No arguments here. I also believe that with the amount of players you will be expecting these 2 zones will add a map diversity in terms of population density which in conjunction with the other reason previously stated would make the entire level ling experience not only faction balanced but population balanced as a whole. Please consider this!
my point is maraudon wasnt in at launch and was added to help the higher end leveling quest drought, same as raventusk, the patch they were added is kind of irrelevant. Both were not in at launch but added later, so the ‘classic’ experience has already been tweaked in favor of improving the leveling experience. waiting to add raventusk, leveling content, until the lvl 60 outdoor raid bosses OR the BWL patch is a poor, illogical choice. If blizzard has already altered the vanilla launch experience to include maraudon, other, less grand, vanilla leveling content, like raventusk should be also be included. Especially when its outdoor leveling content.
obviously just an alliance troll who doesnt want horde to have a fair leveling experience and/or are jealous of our +free hit% chance trinket quest reward. shrug
you’re the one arguing for not adding a lvl 40-50 quest zone until BWL just because thats how it was done originally even though blizzard has already fudged with content’s release scheduling to improve the leveling experience, but now you’re just against it cause it wouldn’t benefit you. obvious troll is obvious.
Revantusk is content. It’s not “systems”, its additional quests and their rewards, and as such is Content, plain and simple.
There might be an argument to made that it is trivial for raiding, and therefore doesn’t change the raiding meta and can be added immediately, but you’re not making that argument. You’re leaning on “Levelling is a system” which is irrelevant to the claim. There is nothing stopping you grinding the shorter patches like we did in 1.1-1.4.
The cloth quartermasters are currently implemented in the Beta. In Darnassus, Raedon Duskstriker in the Tailor tree in Craftsmen’s Terrace accepts A Donation of Wool (60 Wool Cloth) for a one time rep reward of 150 Darnassus rep (165 if human). Beyond that, he also offers the quest A Donation of Silk. I haven’t gathered enough extra Silk to complete that yet.
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