I can justify this with a long post saying you’re wrong with data but frankly it would be pointless. If you really think deathstrike is a solid defensive tool. Btw unholy doesn’t take half of the things you listed.
The fact you are twisting my words saying “you’re not a healer spec” when I said spot wogging meaning you barely know how to play the spec in a useful level.
So gl
Yeah because they don’t need em, lmao.
That Death Strike is ‘weak’ doesn’t change the fact Will of Necropolis is incredibly strong.
What could I know, I only cleared CE this raid and you didn’t even kill a single mythic boss.
EDIT: Sorry, you killed Kazara. 1/9
And it’s amazing that despite being CE you don’t know anything about the class you play. It’s not the flex you think it is, what does it say about you when a 1/9 player has more of a grasp and understanding of the spec. Only the bum hurt resorts to io card when they have nothing else substantial to say
Dude if I didn’t know how to play I would’ve been benched/replaced. Stop it lmao
There’s more to this spec than just WoGing people and doing the healer job and the assigned BoP.
I also checked your logs. Please, don’t ever mention someone else’s skill or grasp in the spec when you’re clearly lacking them.
Its a required point to move the tree on. Havocs tree has been a nightmare for not really having options on how to move forward all of dragon flight. It also would likely be skipped if the tier set didn’t increase eye beams damage so much.
Maybe I’m crazy, I’m definitely to lazy to go back and look, but wasn’t there a change to mastery and how it applied to specific abilities?
and even with that 15% more damage they’re still in the lower 35% of all specs in for raid and boss damage.
Maybe raidbots is wrong and you can’t trust it anymore /shrug but when I SIMe Meq the #1 Ret Paladin according to Warcraft logs Diurnas shows a 427 dps increase over his 450 Onyx Imposter’s Birthright (about .5% difference) ring but you’re right no one in the top uses it. It couldn’t be that they don’t have one with a socket or anything like that.
If you say so…but in about 3 minutes today I found the information you provided was inaccurate by looking at theorycrafting, sims and logs.
Also forgot their better knockback prevention (Which is big this expac) with Death’s Advance Ret’s only knockback prevention is Divine Shield which would be a waste of a strong Defensive CD just to prevent a knockback.
it wasnt required at all, at any point until havoc annilation was buffed, then it started to see play
are you alking about the mastery nerf in ptr? because our entire kit became holy and thus mastery value inflated to a unholy amount
this is shifting to some boomie propaganda
no they had eggnog with socket, i remember, along with all the other top rets. it just fell off cause they had high ilvl and stats
post it
I literally did… you can pull the SIMC from Meq like I did and sim replacing his 450 ring with a 421 socketed eranog. its a .5% dps increase…
post the sim, cause idk how yo ucan sim another persons top gear without their simc string from the addon. if you used gear compare then thats setting yourself up for failure because they can simply be in a m+ build or have different items on or sim the different gem and enchanting combos which can push other rings ahead, because changing a ring in sims isnt simple due to stats
for example
raidbots com/simbot/report/5anYYZgPrsh3uw6WixXuup
oh wow a verse haste hourglass crafting ring is bis?!?
Warcraftlogs has the simc string if you go to the summary page above the gear list. I’ll try to post it later but I’m out right now.
I can’t post links but that’s the link, it simed a bit lower this time than earlier because of the margin of error but Diurna’s is still listed as better than a 450 ring
raidbots
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njoQnQUWNahDoD4grL2uun
add ringbound hourglass 447, like in my sim earlier. so ya eggnog ring not bis
raidbots com/simbot/report/5anYYZgPrsh3uw6WixXuup
Yes ret currently compared to how it was before, i agree its good. But that doesnt excuse the fact that 1 its not scaling and may lessen in damage by next patch. 2 in higher content already we can not provide enough damage to pull our own weight. I seen on your profile you actually havent experienced this higher end content cause youre 0/9 mythic and your keys are very very low. Wich isnt a stab at all thats just from your perspective from heroic raids. Pugs even possibly. But in a 25 key i can tell you rite now wich my ret is 3.2k i.o we almost barely pull our own weight even with an aug evoker within the group. Thats the issue rite now. But it will worsen as we are not currently scaling at all. Mastery legit does almost nothing for our abilities and haste is hardly a buff in damage at all its very very small.
i wont deny that, in m+ ret st in aoe isnt desired but keep in mind very few specs if any can keep up in the spriest mage dominated auggie buffed meta. hpal being ran for the gaggle of paladin utility doesnt help things either. keep in mind that even if mastery was buffed, it wouldnt do much to fix these issues ret has. damage can take you far in m+ but high keys usually rely more on overal spec utility such as very well placed sacs, sp md in dragon gauntlet in hoi, pi, mage being the strongest content to be buffed by auggie and pi, auggie rally, port and w/e they have, bear druid massive group healing and utility.
again i wont say no to a strong st buff, but theres not much you can buff as ret without it effecting our aoe damage either. buffing FV is also a non option because then you’ll be using FV on three targets (we already use fv in two target situations)
The Ret and hpal rework are two strong examples.
Mostly I agree with all you e said with the exception to shadow priest. We asked for more consistent ways to spread our dots and it got worse we asked for mobility to put us on par with other casters and we got dumpsters and maid into a turret spec. We got tankiness which we were only asking for a legit wall defensive. But the rotation is 4 button now so it’s easy for new players to figure out. And we have to cast our offensive cd’s which is something we asked to change but they doubled down and now you have to cast them in pvp now. So we really got over tuned damage and tankiness like locks. We don’t wanna be locks. If we wanted to be locks we would have rolled a lock. I know some people are happy with it but most of the people I know that started this expansion as shadow have quit because they just dont like it.
Actually most DH hate how restrict we are for the EB window. Don’t believe me? Go have a red at the DH fourm or the fel hammer discord.
Also the recent buff really only amount to 2% damage buff.
im a regular in the havoc cord, there has been talk about essb windows but only due to VR nifty little flavor of “not giving your crit buff if you get hit by enviromental damage” among other things. a heavy issue being ip and fodder interactions being more of a issue in the eye of the community more than essb windows
Honestly this video was before Havoc got a Annihilation + First Blood + Inner Demon buffs, buffing their ST AND CLEAVE at the same time.
I don’t think any Havoc can complain about their throughtput currently, seeing they deliver a mix of average ST and mid-top AoE at all situations with barely any cost to their ST/AoE respectively.
If anything, they can complain about their lack of options to sacrifice AoE for stronger ST damage. (and their gameplay in general, which is for me still a massive turd)
Ret, in comparison, cannot do AoE/ST without completely sacrificing the other, and even while doing so, neither of them look great.
It feels more like you want to be right over anything else Gilgamesh. People hand you facts about where we are as Ret right now, and you just want to poke holes.
Retribution Paladins have never been number one on the dps charts. We might start out near it at the very beginning of expac, because of burst, but other classes have always scaled better than us even when Haste/Mastery were our two best stats.
As my main Ret at 444 Ilvl. I am still very competitive with the rest of my guildmates in damage, and in particularly with burst. Our one minute damage profile is not only fun, but comes in real handy for alot of the fights in Abberus.
In Keys, if you get the Exodia comp of Aug/priest buffing into you. I’m telling you that is fun AF.
But what I love more than anything is our survivability. IF you know how to rotate your defensives, you almost never hit a spot where you don’t have something you can use. IF you take Sarkerath for example. I SoV at the vary beginning to help out healers at the start of the fight, then I DP when its my turn to soak. I then have SoV back up for when he does is transition into phase 2.
And its rinse and repeat, with this whole time never having to use Bubble, so I have it for OH SH*T moments of if I get unlock and get the soak in phase 2. Nothing like being able to walk out and immune it tos ave my heals a ton of mana.
I enjoy Templar Strikes, but I have a 2nd paladin that I run Crusading strikes on, and that is the build that will scale more, and once you get use to not having to spam Crusader’s strike/Templar strikes. it becomes quite fun. Though I do recommend a Crusading strikes swing timer weakaura so you don’t over lap/waste holy power as much.
All dps want to be top, but I am more than happy if Ret at the Highest end is Middling in damage. Why? because of our survivability. Right now can survive, and still be free to use my utility like BoSac, and not have to wonder did I just F myself over, like we did back in Vault of the Incarnates. My Survivability right now lets me stay in the thick of things, and keep dealing out the damage, where use to you just had to get TF out. I can burst, and my heartiness lets me stay in the fight longer letting my consistent damage be better than it ever has been.
My only wish would to get Exorcism back. I loved that spell back in the day, and when we got it back here in Dragonflight, but I will agree its implementation this Xpac was bit janky. I wouldn’t mind if say it were a choice node in the class tree and you could use it to change Hammer of Wrath to Exorcism, and let it aoe like it did in 10.0.
I mainly wouldn’t mind that because come next tier its going to hurt not having the cleave from Hammers of wrath like we have in Abberus. I didn’t think it would be as meaningful as it turned out to be, but now that i’ve played with it for a while. Its going to hurt losing that lil bit of cleave/aoe when we have to change tier sets.