Dude, what? Plenty of us have said that. Lothraxion is bloody awesome!
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I hear what you’re saying. Let’s not lose our cool before we know exactly what happens in the story though, yes? There’s a lot of different paths from here, we’ll see where they take it. If it goes where you think, nothing lost because you saw it coming. If it doesn’t - maybe you’ll still get whatever storyline you’re hoping for.
I hope whatever happens, Forsaken retain their identity and culture because fans like you are so passionate and want to protect them so much, it’s truly touching to see how beloved they are.
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The counterargument is that is because Light is the inherent counter to the dark magic that sustains most Undead.
But Calia wasn’t raised with necromancy like other Undead. She was raised with the Light, and as such wouldn’t have that weakness.
I don’t get how raising a non-decomposed corpse with pure light power makes them an undead. It’s resurrection in every other scenario, but the one with Forsaken involved in the story? Woops guys, haha, LIGHTFORGED UNDEAD
I am aware, but her claim to the throne died when Lordaeron’s government died. Sylvanas made a new government, with the former people of Lordaeron, and one that would not exist without her. The Forsaken would not exist without her creating it in the first place. Calia comes in to try to actually steal her queen’s people and deservedly got shot.
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Wish I could have your optimism, but that is not the case. At this point, they’ve pretty much written the faction into irrelevancy.
We had our main focus and storyline (former scourge members resisting and fighting back against the Lich King) taken and given to Death Knights in WotLK. For the entire expansion, all we got was some questing in two starting zones. Sylvanas only got to appear in a set of 5-mans. We were the one Horde faction to not have any significant role in MoP. Finally, in BfA, we lost our entire starting zone to a scenario. No 2 weeks of buildup like with Teldrassil - everything’s just demolished offscreen with no explanation for the previous chain of events. We’re also suprisingly absent in the quest narrative and war campaign - everything’s just Nathanos doing stuff for Sylvanas. The rest of the faction is essentially MIA.
The faction, for all practical purposes, is dead and buried, and having Calia affiliated with it in any way is digging up the remains to piss on them some more. She’s the antithesis of a Forsaken. Forsaken are those who fell victem to the plague of undeath, were forced to serve the Lich King, ultimately broke free, and found the rest of the world against them for what they’d been subjected to. Calia is someone who fled the region, abandoned her identity, made no effort whatsoever to try and address matters there (whether through the Alliance or agencies like the Argent Dawn), and basically lived in relative peace all these years (relative to what others in WoW have lived, at least). She only returns at the behest of a Naaru, willingly chooses to become undead (she was offered the choice of what form to take when being resurrected), and is currently in Netherlight Temple being tended to by Alonas Faol, Anduin, and others. She has received the Cadillac Undeath plan, where everything goes right, her body is fine, she’s not broken or bent to anyone’s will, never has to turn on people she loved, and is accepted by everyone in her surroundings. She is no Forsaken, and it’s extremely insulting that the possibility for her replacing Sylvanas is being entertained. And, I expect Bliz to go through with this decision.
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I agree, they need a purging like the Scourge got, but since that will never happen I’d rather everyone be miserable with a bad story than 90% of the player base being miserable as the the 10% getting the whole story written for their benefit get to enjoy it.
You sound like the people that say BE’s should have never been Horde.
And some people didn’t need redemption for BE’s either, but now we have been bathing on the Light powered Sunwell for over a decade sooo.
Being part of the Horde makes sense, because the lore allows it. The lore doesn’t allow for a person who very recently died with no decay, get healed by only priests into… an undead. Light doesn’t make people undead. Light revives people.
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Honestly I was hoping that they’d sweep Calia under the rug and try to forget she happened. After seeing the new model they gave her…
Whelp.
Please, for the love of god, don’t give “Lightforged Undead” to the Alliance as an Allied Race. If anything, go ahead and use that as an excuse for Undead Paladins or something. Just… the Alliance needs something better. This would be the third Allied Race that was invented on the spot and shoved into the Alliance’s face.
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This is honestly what I believe will happen. Calia’s primary role in the story is more likely to be as the leader of an Alliance-aligned undead AR. I agree that the Horde Forsaken will probably get Nathanos or Lillian Voss as their new racial leader if Sylvanas is expelled from the Horde entirely. And if Lightforged Undead become a thing, that would be where undead paladins become playable.
It goes with the corrupt-a-wish theme where Blizz eventually gives players what they’ve been asking for… but with an often undesirable twist. High elves with blue eyes? Here you go, blue-eyed elves… except they’re infused with the void and are all tentacly. Undead paladins? Here you go, paladins that are undead… except they’re infused with the light and are Alliance.
I personally don’t feel too strongly one way or the other about any of these possibilities happening, but I am curious to see how much of a train wreck occurs if they do.
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Best case scenario is Calia is not involved at all with either Forsaken or an Alliance Allied Race and she turns into a loot pinata. They had an interesting story on their hands and Christie completely blew it.
Give her the raid boss treatment. Please.
And give the Alliance a decent AR.
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Maybe you should have read the book then.
Because in the book, it took the power of Anduin and Alonsus Faol to resurrect her. Her state as a Lightforged Undead is a result of that process since standard resurrection wouldn’t work on her.
No, it didn’t, the Alliance wouldn’t have been trying to reclaim it for all this time if it was that simple. There are still many living people who consider Lordaeron to be theirs since they’re refugees waiting to go back home.
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Does the book state why resurrection doesn’t work on her, but for other people that Anduin revives? Does it state how the light can create an actual undead? I think this flavor was put in just to be relevant to her bloodline quest she’s on. Makes less sense as an actual lore thing, and makes more sense that it’s a forced thing for a specific story to take place.
What do you mean reclaim? Lordaeron is occupied by the majority of its original citizens. Or was.
She was struck by an arrow that was tainted with dark energies. That’s really all the book says, but it literally took Anduin and Faol’s power combined, along with the assistance of a Naaru to bring her back. That’s why she’s not like an ordinary Forsaken.
According to the Alliance, the dead don’t own property.
End of the day though, if you haven’t read the book, then you’re really not in a position to declare her ‘non-canon’ because you’re arguing from a position of ignorance.
Never read any Warcraft lore…is actual resurrection even a thing in-universe? It’s an obviously necessary game mechanic, but in all the in-game cases (that I can remember, anyway) when someone dies they either stay dead or are brought back through necromancy. Not the “I’m alive as good as new!” that a resurrection would imply.
It is a thing, but it is rare. According to Blizzard the story events/quests that occur in their game are canon lore. So we have one case of a failed ressurection, which occurred during the events of the Burning Crusade with an Aldor Paladin in the Netherstorm being unable to ressurect his comrade who died near him, and we have a case in Borean Tundra where a Tauren Shaman was able to be resurrected even though all that remained of him was bones and ragged flesh after he was torn apart and consumed by Kobolds.
Actually, thinking about it…did Odyn’s Val’kyr resurrect those two vrykul (and the player) at the beginning of the warrior class campaign? Or were they just “not quite dead yet?”
The player character gets resurrected as it wasn’t ‘your time’ but the two Vrykul died and their spirits were given physical forms in the Halls of Valor.
According to Fyrebushe and Softsong’s headcanon, maybe.
Lor’themar got a brand new model for BFA. Still has Fel eyes. Well, eye.
Valeera Sanguinar is getting new model in 8.2.5. Still has Fel eyes.
(tweaked quote for relevancy)
voooid elf. i’m a vooooid elf.
just the other day, i didnt exist at all
and now i’m a vooooid elf.
imagine if you will, alliance has been asking for playable high elves since vanilla. instead, they are given to the horde. then after suggesting they might do it several times, and never do, its down to the wire, new races are being added from races the factions are allied with. do they give alliance high elves then? no, they give us blood elves. when blizz decides to diss ya, they do it right.
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