If we’re just being honest, if you unpruned rogue and gave them back things like poisons, preparation, gouge they would be stupidly overpowered in the current game, all we can hope for is that blizzard realizes most specs are really dull and gives a lot of classes back iconic abilities in shadowlands
I can name a few others that got hit just as hard, if not harder. Shamans, mages (mostly arcane), feral, and unholy and frost dk all got hit pretty hard.
The real blow to rogues being fun was combat getting morphed into the rng hell-that-is-outlaw.
Cloak of shadows is an amazing defensive ability - one of the best in the game. Why would you want to get rid of it?
Actually just RTB replacing SnD , outlaw in itself is pretty damn nice , deadshot procs , higher range , grappling hook , etc . But they just had to put this RNG ontop to ruin the entire thing because it was obvious that balancing 5 different buffs was too hard for them .
Oof. Warlock can’t handle rogue being untargetable by spells for 2 seconds once in a 2 minutes.
What defensives rogues have against spells except cosh? None. You can vanish with 100% of breaking it in next second cause of all stuff that any caster class is putting on you that ticks and that’s it.
And you don’t have time killing leatheries … "buddy’?
You said that rogues have plenty of defensives so they don’t need cosh. Now you said that rogues have a lot of time to kill clothies. When they stand still and don’t cast anything and don’t use their defensives — sure.
But I wonder what kind of bullzhite you will spill next.
You’re not even posting on a rogue, ergo, I’m guessing you have no clue what the crap you’re talking about. Rogues are one of the squishiest classes in the game, and until Cloak of Shadows came along, they were super weak against casters. Now CoS gives them a 90s cooldown where they aren’t at the mercy of casters.
Do you need to talk to an adult and show said adult on a little orc doll where a rogue touched you?
I didn’t switch mains after 14 1/2 years because of what was done to sub. I changed because of what was done to outlaw. /shrug
I wasn’t going to go to classic - I had no interest in going back to it, I went through it once already, and my guild staid in retail, anyway. It’s cool, though. DH is still pretty fun. I do miss combat, though…
Classic rogue is missing a lot of utility. Like getting perma kited. I think TBC felt a lot better because you had cloak and step which made rogue feel 100x better.
I didn’t quit retail for classic, I just quit retail. Started playing classic later. Classic Rogue isn’t my favorite. Rogue was at its best in the expansions before Legion. But at least in classic I have poisons and Gouge and bleeds and recognize my character as having the basic attributes of a WoW Rogue.
Can’t say that about this Legion/BFA nu-Rogue trash.
Fair enough. I certainly thought rogue was at its best during BC and LK. It was still good during cata, though I hated cata… Legion is when combat went to hell for sure. It lost its poisons and bleeds and got a crapton of rng in return.
In cataclysm rogues were very overpowered they did insane damage had the best cc with frost mages, had strong auto applied slows etc top tier survival tools and fantastic utility whilst a lot of other classes were very clunky and slow.
A lot of rogues have been salty since those glory days