Ret toolkit

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Sac
Sanc
Freedom
Loh
Bop/spell warding
WoG
1min wings
(Having wings up for 20 secs) so this is basically a 40sec CD.
28sec CD stun
Blind
Immunity from all CC+damage. (Priest can MD…… what priest?)
1min damage reduction.
1min 160k absorb.
1min 2 charges sprint.

Can anyone…… even the rets that troll these forums (Fotm I’m looking at you) tell me what other class has this toolkit to work with.

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“Wahhh ret needs to be nerfed again because I cant train them to death like I used to be able to. Nerf ret again, unplayable blah blah blah”

Sounds like a skill issue. The changes to ret werent even that bad at all and we still got the book, excuse me, the whole damn library thrown at us by everyone and their mother complaining about us. I have yet to see ONE post about sub rogue who has been able to do far worse to classes than ret rework was ever capable of doing yet no one bats a damn eye.

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Waiting for you to tell me who else has a toolkit like this.

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and people lost their minds in SL with warrior 6s intervene and their rest of their tool kit. Current ret makes that old warrior kit look weak.

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LOL Ret has hardly any utility

You use one of those and guess what? You can’t use another for a minute because of forbearance :joy:

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Warrior:

  • Spell Reflection (25 sec)
  • Intervene (30 sec)
  • Shockwave (40 sec) omg so op, 40 sec cd stun???
  • Avatar (1.5 min)
  • Bladestorm (1.5 min) omg so op, 1.5 min AoE damage???

Hunter:

  • Deterrence (2 min)
  • Master’s Call (45 sec)
  • Feign Death (30 sec)
  • Camouflage (1 min)
  • Exhilaration (1.5 min)
  • Aspect of the Turtle (3 min)
  • Aspect of the Cheetah (1 min)
  • Bursting Shot (30 sec) omg so op, 30 sec CD stun???
  • Intimidation (1.5 min) omg so op, 1.5 min CD stun???

Mage:

  • Ice Block (5 min)
  • Blink (20 sec)
  • Counterspell (24 sec) omg so op, 24 sec CD silence???
  • Invisibility (2 min)
  • Alter Time (1.5 min)
  • Mirror Image (2 min)
  • Greater Invisibility (1.5 min)
  • Polymorph (8 sec cast time)
  • Ice Nova (25 sec) omg so op, 25 sec CD AoE freeze???

Rogue:

  • Cloak of Shadows (1.5 min)
  • Evasion (2 min)
  • Shadowstep (20 sec)
  • Sprint (1 min)
  • Vendetta (2 min)
  • Blind (2 min) omg so op, 2 min CD incapacitate???
  • Kidney Shot (20 sec) omg so op, 20 sec CD stun???
  • Vanish (2 min)
  • Shadow Dance (1.5 min)

Priest:

  • Power Word: Shield (15 sec)
  • Pain Suppression (3 min)
  • Guardian Spirit (3 min)
  • Fade (30 sec)
  • Desperate Prayer (45 sec)
  • Leap of Faith (1.5 min)
  • Psychic Scream (1 min) omg so op, 1 min CD AoE fear???
  • Purify (8 sec)
  • Mass Dispel (45 sec)

Shaman:

  • Astral Shift (1.5 min)
  • Spirit Walk (1.5 min)
  • Wind Shear (12 sec) omg so op, 12 sec CD interrupt???
  • Earthbind Totem (15 sec)
  • Purge (12 sec)
  • Capacitor Totem (1 min)
  • Tremor Totem (1 min)
  • Hex (45 sec) omg so op, 45 sec CD polymorph???
  • Thunderstorm (45 sec)

Warlock:

  • Unending Resolve (3 min)
  • Demonic Circle: Teleport (1 min)
  • Shadowfury (1 min) omg so op, 1 min CD stun???
  • Summon Infernal (10 min)
  • Dark Pact (45 sec)
  • Create Healthstone (2 min)
  • Soulshatter (3 min)
  • Fear (1 min) omg so op, 1 min CD fear???
  • Havoc (1 min)

Monk:

  • Fortifying Brew (1.5 min)
  • Roll (20 sec)
  • Spear Hand Strike (15 sec) omg so op, 15 sec CD interrupt???
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There you are :slight_smile: considering you only kill people with CDs now a days. Seems like ret has that covered most people have there CDs every 2 mins.

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Why don’t you start by listing what Frost or Unholy DK’s have?

That way you can show the comparison yourself.

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Closest would be Sub rogue, but their utility is slightly varied.

  • Instead of LoH/BoP(or magic bop) they can utilize gouge, disarm, defensive smoke bomb to help their team as extra peels and stops
  • Instead of freedom they have perma snare on targets, also able to be applied from range

I could go down the list 1 for 1 but that would be a lot of quoting.

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Because it’s never been this broken.

Sub has been op for sure and very toxic game design, but no matter how strong it was, it’s never had the winrate and representation ret paladin has where you Q with one or you lose the game.

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The beep is this

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I wanted to go though your whole list very time consuming. Funny if you combine some of these classes including healers it makes the toolkit of ret.

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DKs are being continuously nerfed especially frost every week when rets are running around 100-0 lmao. Your argument is irrelevant

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Ret cope.

/10

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This ret cope has gone on too long. Time to nerf it to the ground.

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IBF:
Reducing damage by 40% 2.4 min CD
Ret:
1min 20%.

AMS. 1 min absorbing magic damage
Ret
Shield of veng: 160k shield for all damage.

Death stike. 25-50k self heal.
Wog: 50-130k self or party heal.
Flash of light: 40-90k self or party heal

Grips 2
Steed 2.

Rets: complete immunity
DK 0

Rets complete party member immunity physical or spell.
DK -0

Rets 6 sec 28cd stun
DK 4 sec 30 cd stun

1 min gos (as frost) disarm shuts this down single handed. For argument sake not disarm in the match. Freedom kite go is shut down. Move far enough your burst window is gone.

Ret-disarm? Don’t matter. Kite don’t matter. CC well better be a 20 sec chained cc because that’s how long wings last. Comparing DK to pally is just nuts.

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What toolkit is that? Frost or Unholy?

You didn’t even list the complete toolkit of either of the specs.
And separate them, not combine, or show just one, but list everything they have.

You missed stuff, it’s obvious.

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Rets have the most disgusting toolkit I have ever seen in my 14 years of playing this game.
I have no remorse left for the ret community. Nerf it to the ground so yall can really see what unplayable looks like cough BFA MM Hunter in 3s

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One last thing about this list. The ret toolkit has 13 different ways to kill and help his team with very low CDs.

No one on your list (that I saw has more than 7. Most are player specific not team.

DKs
Grips
Stun blind
IBF
AMZ/AMS
Silence.

Frost.
AOE stun
Roots
1min go.

Unholy
Pet kick
Pet stun
Ranged spender

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Why don’t you list your hunter toolkit for your preferred spec?