Why are you even responding to them? They are either exceedingly stupid or they are trolling you. Either way its not worth the time.
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Itâs not about the dps threshold to kill losses. Itâs about the faster you kill the boss, the less margin for error there will be. You arenât going to help with that on your classic enhance shaman
And that margin of error is pretty dang large.
Keep in mind, these bosses were beatable with people afk auto-shotting, mages who did nothing but wanding, and people who just outright died early on.
Well Classic is far away from being balanced to be honest and the game will stay unbalanced forever sadly.
I dont like to say âeverything classic-wow offer is perfect and total master pieceâ even if im hyped for the game, i love classic and i plan devote many hours there but there are certain things are not âgoodâ.
It is balanced. Why should a druid be able to do just as much dps as a rogue? Rogues are pure dps⊠druids are utility. Ret paladins are utility. They should not be able to out dps a warrior or rogue.
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I think itâs a fair point. Thatâs the whole concept of hybrid class. Paladins in WoW classic are pure support class, Which is nonexistant nowadays. The way of playing the class and the way it can contribute to the raid is totally different. People in this thread are comparing oranges with pineapples.
Pure DPS like rogue have a precise role and cannot be compared with the dps a paladin can pull. The paladin can dps but also contribute to the raid with the debuff / buff / utilities a rogue certainly donât have.
Then, people says raid wonât accept more than X ret. Of course, would you bring more healers or more tank than necessary? Same thing applies for the support class.
I think the whole people wont bring X number of rets will change when they realize how good the buffs are and how hard it is to fill a 40 man raid.
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You only need 4 paladins to cover all buffs, and as good as paladins are at healing, there is no reason not to bring 4 of them. Also, itâs not hard to fill DPS spots in a raid. Healers on the other handâŠbut thatâs just another reason hybrids are pressured in to healing.
I can tel you never played vanilla because of how much of a joke you think itâs actually going to be and that your raids are going to progress just meeting the lowest dps threshold
Thatâs assuming you have 4 healadins. Plus, youâre gonna have priests and probably a resto druid. There is always at least one ret in the guild. When was the last time you tried to fill a 40 man on time for raid?
So youâre telling me a raid with pures pulling 3x the minimum dps requirement of a raid canât fit in a couple of hybrids that can easily meet the dps requirement plus some?
Hardcore guilds managed to do naxx when it was bleeding edge with hybrids. I donât buy the idea that, with all the information about fight and class mechanics that we have now, that we canât do better than hardcore guilds did back then.
Iâve actually never seen a ret in a non alt raid. Also, most raids run 11-12 healers.
Do you believe that the new classic players with much higher understanding of the game are going to be more accepting of you being an enhance shaman or even as accepting of underperforming players more NOW than back then? Are you ok with swinging nightfall forever and not getting any 2 handers unless no one needs them? Are you ok with havin to wait on getting that dps ring after the 12 warriors and 6 rogues get it before you? If so, knock yourself out
I see them all the time.
I think players will be accepting of all classes outside of those that have outright prejudices against them because thereâs more to a raid than DPS.
Iâm ok with swinging nightfall because it helps benefit the raid overall and shaman/paladins wonât need anything else.
As for having to wait, that applies to all dps, especially when youâre stacking the same class. Paladins will likely be gearing far differently than a warrior, rogue, or hunter so, in your example, itâd be harder to gear if I ran a pure.
People are throwing random numbers in here. âPure DPS does 3Xâ more damage. What are the actual numbers?
How much DPS the raid sacrifice for the benefits of the utilities a hybrid class can bring?
Also, keep in mind the support / hybrid class gives the raid the capabilities of doing more dps. So the paladin dps will likely remain lower but everyone will perform better.
Realmplayers disagrees. When you do manage to find a raid with ret, they are normally under the tanks on the damage meters. A ret paladin doing non garbage damage is incredibly rare.
Good lord, do you actually believe this?
Not really harder to gear as a pure because a good loot distribution council will make sure they get what they need as melee. Meaning theyâre getting stuff before your shaman. Which btw, nightfall is on the bottom tier of usefulness on a shaman due to only being able to auto attack. You canât use stormstrike because of debuff priority. So youâre ok with literally auto attacking in a raid forever and sensibly getting loot after everyone else? Thatâs your idea of fun and usefulness?
What you should do OP is trust the advice of everyone here telling you that ret is just fine. Spend a good two to three months leveling to 60 since it is by far the slowest class in the game to level. Then once youâve spent all that time you can find out for yourself what a huge waste it all was.