Ret Paladins, How viable will they be?

Sanctuary is very useful during progression fights on raid wide dmg boss encounters in all raid instances - Vael/Firemaw/Flamegor in BWL, pretty much all bosses in AQ40 and numerous bosses in Naxx with Thaddius and Loatheb being the most obvious

it’s a flat dmg reduction across the board and can be put on all 40 players - it’s one of the most underrated spells/abilities in the game as the damage reduction really adds up over long boss fight encounters for all 40 players

yes i know that but it proves my point that Holy Paladins would never swing it other than for Loatheb

but a way to combine both Blessing of Sanctuary + Nightfall is to have one Paladin be the AoE tank guy with BoSanc and then swing Nightfall the rest of the time in order to get the best of both worlds

I did that for a year in a guild back on Anathema and it was great all around.

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You can just have a couple warriors with nightfall and rotate off who uses it when and it’ll be better uptime than a ret paladin or enhance shaman. This is something you know and also blessings can be done by hpals

nope

spoiler alert - we did the math for every class/spec that can swing Nightfall

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That’s totally wrong.

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Yeah lol. That’s not correct in the slightest.

Nightfall min/maxing isn’t worth it anyways. That uptime only works on a few fights. Most fights aren’t patchwork tank and spanks. Let an OT swing it when they aren’t needed and be done with it, a dedicated NF swinger is a waste of a raid spot. You are making one fight easier and two fights harder.

Viable? Yes.

Optimal? No.

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Plus anyone who tells you they’ll swing nightfall forever for your raid will eventually quit or just stop playing. NOBODY wants to just be a nightfall bot. But this the pill no one wants to swallow. Kind of like enhancement shamans who will “swing it forever” then find out later it’s actually the most awful weapon for damage.

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A ret pally who can play to their protentional and able to utilize their spell kit to the fullest extent and give the advantage to the a raid group is very much wanted. However a ret pally who wants to nothing more than just pew pew dps dps and nothing more youll be hard pressed to find any serious guild doesn’t have to be hardcore just any guild looking to do progression. Your pure dps is below other melee like rogue or warrior and holy pallies come with the same kit and heal. A ret pally is a the pure definition of hybrid and most raids what you to bring your hybrid utility if your unwilling to do anything but pew pew your gonna have a hard time unless your just trying to be a casual social type guild.

Ret utility is the same as holy utility and dual role in raids is inefficient

If you like doing 30% less dps than pure dps classes then Ret Pally is a solid choice.

So no fury warrior offtanking. Got it. Bench all the warriors that aren’t MT.

Yknow what? Rogues can die if they stand in the wrong place. Just get hunters instead, since they scale good early on. Bench all the rogues too.

Ah, but just maybe 2 hunters max. All the rest can go to hell, mages are good for the food/water. Since hunters aren’t, bench the rest.

Because that would be…inefficient.

Oh. By the way. What makes you guys think Nightfall is even in phase 1?

Maybe you should have equipped a weapon along the way. Paladins have no downtime and can AOE farm starting at 40, if they have the gear for it.

Warriors and rogues are in fact the slowest classes to level because they don’t have the soft safety nets mana classes have.

And thank goodness you chose Paladin. Shaman would have driven you mad.

There is a reason he needed to start his own guild on lightbringer for anyone to raid with him

In summary OP

Play Ret join a casual raiding guild enjoy yourself so long as you don’t mind not being Pure DPS but a support role that DPS’s and provides utility all around.

If that’s how you want to play and have fun please do, don’t let anyone here discourage you from doing that.

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