World first guilds used ret pallies…
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i played one as my main and they are fun as good pvp can solo decently but you will be BACKUP HEALER/ BUFFERIN RAIDS IN CLOTH GEAR .
Ret can work.
Are they optimal: No
Can they be valuable to a 40man:Yes
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Back on Silvermoon in Vanilla, PGB had a Rey Pally. We also had a shortage of warrior tanks and had a feral Druid and prot Pally to offtank, off heal, and give utility.
PGB (Playground Bullies) ran 1 bm hunter (healer guard), 1 feral Druid, 1 Ret Pally, 1 fury warrior, 1 shadow priest, 1 demo lock, 1 balance Druid, and we had like 5-6 hunters because we lacked enough rogues and locks for comp.
We were pretty successful too. Got most of Naxx down, then after a split off the rebuilt guild got all the way back to AQ40 (didn’t clear though due to TBC). But I’d say that if the people in the “less optimal specs” really know the encounters and creatively utilize their utility, then viability is about more than DOS charts. No doubt, some fights are a DPS race, and you bring it hard or die. But in many more cases, lots of utility from intelligent players can go a long way and make encounters really easy.
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This mother trucker gets it
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Jesus Wept!
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I think they will be pretty popular Horde side
Paladins don’t necro threads… Oh no, they have been driven insane by runeblades to become death knights. Quick, to the Batmobile Robin!
So I’ve effectively played a week of WoW and as this make a necro to the thread. I’d love to point out the fact that you, Loial were indeed correct of your assessment as the Classic server’s have been out for a bit and there are already raider’s on Thunderfury clearing Rag/Onyx. And at present I’ve clocked about 4 1/2 day’s on my paladin and have effectively blitzed my way up a marginal amount toward’s exp.
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It’s 10/1/2019. 12:58am And I’m here to tell you, People are already clearing raid’s WITH paladin’s. Cheer’s loser.
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It would seem that yes is the answer.
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It seems like you’re missing the point of what “utility” means. For utility classes, it’s not about topping meters. Buffs, bubbles, clinch heals, brief off-tanking and cleanses are all things a ret paladin can do while providing some damage done. Let’s not forget about Divine Intervention, which is great wipe-prevention, if used properly. I did not start raiding as ret until TBC… still didn’t top meters then, but it didn’t matter. I was watching the raid and doing what I needed to do when it needed to be done.
Let’s not forget that Classic content has been done before. If a guild is hung up on anything, it’s probably not having a few “meme specs” in their raid.
And when it comes to damage - let’s not forget the number one contributor: Staying alive! The ability to top meters while you’re alive is great… but it only really matters if you don’t die 30 seconds into the pull because you either caught agro or stood in the fire.
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I feel like a dedicated ret paladin who really wants to master their spec is more beneficial in a raid group than a run of the mill mage/rogue/warrior who doesn’t really care about anything other than meters. That last dps spot shouldn’t be the difference between wiping or not in a 40 man.
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All of this is unnecessary in a proper group, to the point where it’s better and faster to just bring an additional REAL damage.
Did I ever say some scrub raids weren’t going to hamfist their way through raids with a ret or two? No.
Lets look at the real DPS numbers:
OH LOOK! PALADIN AND SHAMAN BOTTOM TIER DPS BY OVER 50%!?
Hope those players like holding their raid group back and getting carried.
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That is the cutest response I have ever seen. It’s not ever been about number’s for ret’s. If you can’t understand the role of a paladin you should probably take a step back and stop playing one. It has NEVER been about raw number’s nor will it ever be.
What we bring is FAR more then any one class can. PERIOD. Quit playing a class you can’t freakin play lol
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What’s this retail kid jabbering about?
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Akaidian? He is part of the WoW skinhead elitist movement that decides how people should play while pretending to be hardcore, but not really because he doesn’t spend enough time in game stocking up for the raid or farming gold for the guild or retracing fights in his head over and over because humans are fallible creatures. He was also on Pservers apparently where they purposely made the raids more difficult which forced this kind of attitude down everyone’s throats because people are stupid.
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SoR base damage will scale with delay.
SoR damage from +dmg is a static value and faster is better.
SoR coefficient with a 1h is 10%
SoR coefficient with a 2h is 12.5%
Rets scale just fine. They scale like Warriors do, and DPS Warrior gear exists all the way through to Naxx…as set gear is tanking gear for Warriors.
Ret Paladins are viable in 40 mans, but not for the reasons that most list.
Since Rets pursue Precision in the Prot Tree they pick up Imp Dev along the way. In a raid they will be in the tank group granting 921 AC from Dev to every tank in the raid…that is a massive boost in AC.
They will also maintain JoW and not JotC while dps’ing. The raid wide boost from ranged dps from the increase mana regen is quite appreciable.
For those saying that a Holy Paladin can do the same…not really. Being within 10 yards on mobile fights, having to run out of PBAE’s when you should be healing, or trying to recast JoW at 600 to 700 mana per minute while maintaining phase transitions and damage spikes is hard to juggle.
Rets sacrifice personal DPS in terms of Sanc Aura and JotC to grant raid wide utility and also bring Imp BOM to the mix.
They are worth their slot in a 40 man if you use them effectively. If you don’t then probably not.
Tip: Use Rank1 SoC and judge it every 8 seconds to proc Vengeance and not empty your mana pool. Without Sanct and JotC you need to maintain Vengeance uptime, and JoC boosts that by 50%…and Rank 1 allows you to maintain it.