That’s because current content is 100% harder than Naxx 40.
Also in Naxx 40, there are 40 people. Not everyone needs to be performing at 100%. If that was the case no one would play anything but fury warrior since that’s the best DPS on paper.
Nuclear launch detected.
You do you man, at least this was an enjoyable conversation.
Post on your main so we can scrutinize you instead of hiding behind unsubstantiated claims if you’re going to do it. Or be a hypocrite. Either is fine.
I’m not concerned about my position or ability being scrutinized. My raid is what it is, but my orange parses reflect who I am as a player. I simply don’t have any desire to spend 20+hours a week raiding or struggling to clear content. I did mage tower the first week it was out with super sub-par ilvl.
People still have certain amount of preference for aesthetic and there’s a point at which skill actually does take over from theoretical best. A spread as small as today’s balance enables that for the most part. A spread where something is obviously wasted space like a 100% difference from others is not.
Even if it’s not required, people will still be stringent.
There are more than enough people requiring 1k IOs for 4 and 5 keys. The achieving community, again, is very likely to not be accepting of the discrepancy of ret between real specs.
6/9H is parallel with my prog, 7/9N is inferior to mine and 1/9 mythic isn’t exactly an achievement but once again inferior to mine, good thing achieves are account bound no ?
EDIT: Oh wait you don’t even have the gimmee boss of BoD… wow.
If you’re going to blast an individual for the outcome of group performance, there’s no point in discussing. I want your main so I can scrutinize your personal contributions.
I’m not concerned with if my guild steps into mythic any more. We don’t have the people and I don’t have the desire to wipe endlessly with the group we currently have. All of this is besides the point… or maybe it’s not? If my guild was filled with more individuals with mindsets like mine, we’d likely be killing things a lot more, not having 50th percentile players holding us back.
I love my guild and the people in it, but they are not good and basically a case study for what happens when you DON’T enforce my mindset.
But you’re basically saying that having a ret paladin in your classic raid makes your efforts wasted which is the same as raiding with your guild.
And what my main does is irrelevant as I frequently do the important things in raid while the mongo meelee just tunnel like idiots and stroke themselves over their parses.
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I like my guild too and if we can achieve more than you without the idiot mindset it flatout makes your mentailty pointless and irrelevant.
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No. My guild still clears equivalent (or harder) content than vanilla in the timeframe it’s relevant. Most guilds in vanilla won’t do that. We’re definitely wasting time compared to what we could if we had all raids of our best players, but that’s the point of this.
You’re delusional if you think the best parsers don’t also routinely do mechanics cleanly. Besides that, refer back to my other post where I say mongoloiding as much as your group is capable without dying is best-case playing.
And still better guilds out there WITH my elitist mindset routinely clear far far more than you do. Hint: it’s not my personal skill holding me back. It’s my compromise on my mindset and complacency because I’m happy enough.
Theres literally 100 guilds on frostmourne that put both our guilds to shame without your mentality, I know a heap of people in quite a few guilds that are 3/9M without your attitude.
Your min/max mentailty isn’t needed for classic.
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It doesnt matter. In 2020 Ret paladins will be clearing Naxx 40, the finish line of Vanilla.
The thing is, no one cares who clears it first. No one cares if it takes one or two to clear it. All that matters if that you clear it.
I think too many people are overthinking how hard Classic is going to be. Classic WoW is just a time sink. The people who cleared the hardest content back then weren’t the same as Mythic raiders. They just put in the most time into the game.
They back pedeled and clicked their way through naxx. So you’re going to see Ret paladins clearing naxx 40.
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I never argued that. I argued the overall community acceptance of rets in raid and what people should realistically expect. Take vanilla spec supply. Or modern’s supply.
Do you really think raids are going to need as many rets as people who roll rets? It doesn’t matter if they are “viable” by the strict definition.
What matters is community acceptance, and if someone who decides to roll ret can realistically expect to find a spot in a guild raid team. 1-2 slots won’t sate the supply of all the retnoobs coming. And the reason they will not be able to find slots lies squarely on the fact that they’re weak. Horrendously weak.
If I was rolling a ret paladin, what I would do is the following:
Step 1: Get 60 in the first week of release.
Step 2: Spec holy, with a bit into prot for righteous fury, and tank/heal dungeons to get lots of gear.
Step 3: Spend your off time leveling up blacksmithing and gathering the mats to Nightfall.
Step 4: Either buy Arcanite bars or spend a day leveling up various hunters on an alternative account to level 35 to get the transmute.
Step 5: Get Nightfall and you can now play what ever you want because you just gave your guild a free nightfall that you worked for.
Step 6: Use the same strategy and gather mats for Sulfuron’s Hammer. Get that.
Step 7: Show your guild that you play more than everyone else, are committed and are the Nightfall person, and have Sulfuron’s Hammer and would like Sulfurious Hand of Rag.
Step 8: Sit on the Ironforge Bridge.
“Just work 10x harder than everyone else to get the single token slot. COMPLETELY viable (as far as the community and the OP’s desires are concerned)!”
-OR-
Pick something that is actually “viable” and actively sought out and skip all those problems and never have a rough day in your life.
When Classic goes live, there aren’t going to be many super hardcore players who play 12+ hours a day. That’s not feasible for the average person. However, if someone wants to play a ret paladin/balance druid or whatever, yes they are viable.
But you’ll need to play more than other people.
Also, I thought many people wanted Classic because the game didn’t revolve around cookie cutter builds and being told what spec to play? So play what you want.
Play what you want, but expect to have a rough time if you play ret and have aspirations of raiding.
Lots will try paladin, very, very few will succeed.
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Way to go, joining the race that ended 12 years ago.
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What current content are you talking about? Because the wipe counts on on the tougest content dwarfs those of classic while the actual percentage of “top” pvpers is also alot lower.