Ret paladin viability

Archeon-frostmourne · February 20, 2019, 12:56am

I like mayo!

Theloras-llane · February 20, 2019, 12:56am

you just don’t like answering the simplest of questions

Tarregor-dalaran · February 20, 2019, 1:30am

i am not looking forwards to reading this entire thread
there might be a hay in the needlestack, sure, but its probably just a few brick walls unsuccessfully trying to tear eachother down… and alot of misconceptions

Sabetha-turalyon · February 20, 2019, 1:36am

There might be something in the first half, but once you hit the two brick walls you can more or less just skip straight to the end.

From what I remember the only thing in the middle of all that was questioning how private servers determined the proc rate, and what the proc rate actually is, of Nightfall.

To which the answer is: Nobody seems to know.

Theloras-llane · February 20, 2019, 1:53am

For the record, Nightfall is set at 2PPM on Lightshope - no one has 100% accurate information on what the correct proc rate was on retail Vanilla WoW - but it being set at 2ppm is an educated guess and by no means OP AF either.

FYI - I had no input on this decision - it was set back on Nost to 2ppm by Daemon and Viper.

Loial-shadowsong · February 20, 2019, 5:24pm

Some of the biggest questions of Vanilla were proc rates on various weapons. I’d be surprised they know now even with their old data recovered. I’m sure things changed over time due to glaringly obvious overpowered items.

I’ve heard Ironfoe was upwards of .2% in Classic but no one has ever found a post or anything to back up that claim. Having personally tested 100,000 auto attacks, yes, 100,000, and posted the results to Fight Club Warrior Discord, Nostalrius/LH has it at .04%. Quite a large difference there.

It’s still insane. If Blizzard puts it back to .2% we might see some Warriors posting early 1200+ logs on Lucifron or Gehennas. Multiple successive rage-cap recklessness executes kappa.

It makes me also think if a Ret were to get it and try the 1H SoR spell power build how epic that would be.

So many juicy questions.

Darjuul-wyrmrest-accord · February 20, 2019, 5:29pm

Just what we need, even more DPS warriors running around with giant e-peens

Theloras-llane · February 20, 2019, 6:06pm

as opposed to Ret/Reck Paladins with even bigger e-peens?

Zeliek-moon-guard · February 20, 2019, 8:18pm

0.2% proc chance? So a 1 in every 500 swings? Seems really small and not worth it. Did you perhaps mean 2 ppm? The comments on wowhead say that it should proc really frequently, 10-18% proc chance. Even the level 80 proc chance was around 3%.

Corilan-emerald-dream · February 20, 2019, 8:31pm

You have to be very careful with Ironfoe tuning. It’s either gonna be incredibly OP or underwhelmingly uselss., at least that’s my experience from various PServers.

Zeliek-moon-guard · February 20, 2019, 9:27pm

Well, when the proc chance equates to 1 proc in 400 seconds even if you are able to spam hamstring, it seems a little too weak for my tastes. For perspective, it would average around 2 dps for full BiS naxx gear.

Mickymoo-black-dragonflight · February 22, 2019, 4:31pm

Good for you. If you are looking for a rogue for a spot, I’d imagine you would look for a rogue and not a paladin.

Akaidian-earthen-ring · February 22, 2019, 5:14pm

And if I’m looking for a paladin, I’m looking for a holy.

Priapis-proudmoore · February 22, 2019, 9:04pm

Congratz?
What you look for has no bearing on what the majority of every other raid will look for.

Akaidian-earthen-ring · February 22, 2019, 9:21pm

What majority of every other raid will look for is irrelevant. Those raids will be what 95% of original wow raid groups were: failures dabbling in stuff they really shouldn’t bother doing because there’s no actual chance at victory.

Darjuul-wyrmrest-accord · February 22, 2019, 9:22pm

If I’m looking for a Paladin, I’m looking for a Paladin of, likely, any type. If I’m looking for a healer, I’m looking for a Druid, Priest, or Paladin/Shaman; it doesn’t really matter what spec as long as they have the gear, skill, and willingness to heal.

You sound like a caricature of a hardcore raider.

Priapis-proudmoore · February 22, 2019, 9:23pm

People were pugging a lot of raids in 1.12 and were downing most of the content outside of naxx.

Sabetha-turalyon · February 22, 2019, 9:27pm

Akaidian is one of those “If you aren’t the absolute top, you’re a failure” type people.

There will be plenty of pugs, and even raids bringing Ret but as far as he’s concerned for the min/maxing to the extreme guilds: you should skip over Ret Paladins with the possible exception of if you’re going to use Nightfall.

for the other 99% of the playerbase, we’re generally fine =P

Priapis-proudmoore · February 22, 2019, 9:29pm

Oh i realize that. His raids are probably going to also be the first to fall apart because of how much demand for perfection there will be. I’ve been in raids like that and any wipe becomes a major issue with tantrum level screaming and then people just check out.

Akaidian-earthen-ring · February 22, 2019, 9:30pm

It’s not even about being absolute top as far as vanilla raiding is concerned. It’s about being in one of the very very few guilds that will even be able to get content on farm before the next tier is released.

That, realistically, isn’t hard. But, translating wow’s current community to vanilla, without using the OP classes/specs, you’ll be lucky to get a guild capable of even killing HALF the raid before the next tier. Ain’t no body got time for dat waste of life.