It only takes 1 enhancement to put these rets in their place. The buffoonery stops there.
Enhancement has the worst uptime for Nightfall debuff of any class/spec due to the fact that Windfury’s bonus swings were specifically nerfed by Blizzard over the course of Vanilla to not trigger procs.
This leaves Enhancement with only auto-attack and Stormstrike (20 sec cd) as their only way of triggering Nightfall procs and leaves them at around 25% total uptime compared to Ret using SoR/JoR at ~40% or a Melee Hunter spamming Wing Clip at ~45%
Can a CM lock this thread please, getting annoyed that my thread went from a decent discussion, to a private server epeen battle.
-Sinclaire -Torch-
FYI - the Classic forums CM got fired this week Blair - sorry man
There is still moderators hanging around though since my post 5 hours ago got edited.
Just report all the OT posts.
Sounds perfectly viable in the way the OP was searching for. In this thread we went over how a paladin is actually superior over a warrior or hunter as a nightfall bot. We informed that paladin dps can beat any check in the game and to be quite honest can go a lot higher. We mentioned how that even though our utility may be similar to a holy paladin, paladin dps has a different delivery that can be beneficial.
We pointed out that many hardcore guilds back in the day had a dps pally or 2.
A paladin may do less dps, but they can more efficiently cleanse than a healer. They can heal and provide extra aura coverage. The difference between a holy paladin and a ret paladin is something like 30% maximum dps, 5% healing, and primary role. All at the bargain price of losing only less than half a warrior.
So yes, I think we did prove the value of a paladin dps.
Had to re-quote this because I have to pity you as it seems like this was your experience despite the majority not actually being hated. My experience was more that they had plenty of dps already and needed dedicated warrior or druid tanks or healers. An optimal raid only needed 1 druid, that didn’t stop many of them from having a lot anyways.
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Ret is viable in the same way a rogue showing up to a raid with no pants on and unechanted gear is viable. Yeah…you can do it…
post your personal dps meters in classic raids (not bfa lol ;P), i guarantee a ret try-harding will beat you casualing 24/7
the question of viability, isnt down to the class or spec its down to the player… How far will you take your class to compete, how much do you want to succeed, i guarantee you that any ret trying to prove him or herself will be infinitely more valuable to any given raid then any rogue showing up without their pants on purely due to their drive to succeed and their ability to provide pantless-rogue dps alongside an immeasurable amount of utility.
the fact of the matter is there will be 1000 pantless rogues, they are all the same they show up, they spam 2 buttons they expect loot, what a guild really wants is the dedicated player, the one who loves their class and rotation in all aspects, why? because they are the ones who will go out of their way to outperform and they are the ones who will be there, with the guild 6,8,12,24 months down the track, now seriously ask yourself who do you want… a pantless rogue who casual modes their way through content ant contributes nothing more, or the passionate ret who brings their whole kit and so much more… i know from experience that, that ret will not only be the first online waiting to summon players but he will be the last online ready to push that final attempt on the boss… and i know at the end of the day exactly who i want filling out my roster.
ret has been proven to be beyond viable, not only through the output of dps ( I mean 800+ in bwl content is nothing to laugh at, it competes with and exceeds many classes ) but simultaneously through its innate utility it offers more then its competitors, this isnt a debate anymore there’s the stigma of the 15 year-old echo-chamber and theres the reality of the meta; I mean for gods-sake for the past 15 years shadow-priests have been considered viable when we know for a fact their dps output is below that of a smite priest and their roll can be fulfilled by a holy priest and feral tanks have been considered unviale… both fallacies proven to be false, evolve with the times or fall behind is all that needs to be said, ret paladins have an indisputable roll to fill in not only PvE but also PvP content.
That’s a nice red herring you have there, but I’ll take a skilled rogue over a ret any day. There will be plenty of competent players on the OP classes to the point where the only guilds that have issues with dedication and optimal raid setups will be the exact kinda guild I want to stay away from.
My guild is full of great people, but nothing special. Translating my “best alli guild on worst server” to classic, I’d still fully expect a full raid of 40 people on optimal specs to be no problem, and they’d all be dedicated and skilled enough to not bother looking at the ret.
Skip a few guilds down from ours and that’s where I’d start to see things as sub-optimal as ret is show up.
Fact of the matter is, the intangibles you’re selling are the baseline expectation for me. If the guild can’t get 40 of those people, it’s already the wrong guild.
Also, post dem 800 dps BWL boss logs please.
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(inserts logs of consecration AOE DPS on Nef)
BUGGED Consecration + Oil of Immolation on Nef on an even buggier stock mangos server…
I wonder who wrote this on the bug report that Killerduki and I wrote up about Consecration scaling with AP back on Nost:
Consecration AP scaling
**********8 months ago
As quoted directly from Blizzard WoW Patch Burning Crusade Patch 2.0.1 “(05-Dec-2006): Consecration doesn’t scale with attack power anymore.”
It scaled with ap throughout the entire existance of vanilla and this was only removed during the burning crusade
TLDR - anyone who quotes Paladin DPS raid parses from Nost in 2019 is deluded…
It’s not even consecrate, its holy wrath and goblin sapper and consecrate ;D. Stratholme holy water works wonders there too.
well at least on LH all of those are actually functioning properly with the correct scaling and can be used as an accurate benchmark going into Classic unlike Nost
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Yeah. I remember talking with Optilasgar (old German Drachensturm Ret) about accurate parses and he used to do that. I think we’d spike around 500 or 600 on Nefarian pre-AQ40 and settle anywhere from 350-400 effective DPS as a result.
Strat holy water isn’t unique to ret, but yea. Point still stands though, gimmick is gimmick.
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yes, but unlike Consecration being bugged on Nost and scaling with AP or Oil of Immolation scaling with SP there as well - Stratholme Holy Water scales correctly on LH at 100% of spell dmg which provides a nice DPS bonus for Rets stacking spell dmg gear
Looking at a Ret Paladin raid parse on Nefarian from LH is what Classic is going to look lie…not lol Nost
Sure, but you still aren’t going to see 800DPS BWL boss parses, which was Akaidian’s point.
But then again, doing all the DPS isn’t necessary to clear the content, so whatever. Ret it up if you like, but don’t piss on our collective legs and tell us it is raining. ![:grin:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/grin.png?v=6" ":grin:")
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My mayo is made with cage free eggs
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