Ret Paladin is affecting other class/player experience badly ! needs a big nerf ASAP!

Classes Paladin
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Reason 1
How easy do Ret Paladins achieve high and fast damage output significantly affects the experience of other classes/players in Mythic+ dungeons.

As an Unholy DK myself, to deal normal damage to a big pack of mobs, I have to go through and press the following skills in specific orders:

  1. Raise Abomination → 2. Abomination Limb → 3. Dark Transformation → 4. Outbreak → 5. Unholy Assault -->6. Vile Contagion -->7. Defile -->8. Scourge Strike → from here, only after this, I can finally start outputting meaningful damage!

Now, let’s compare this to Ret Paladins:
To prepare for a big pack, they just need to press:

  1. Blade of Justice → 2. Judgment → 3.Execution Sentence

That’s it!

Those three skills are only skills they need to press to get started. After that, they just spam Wake of Ashes twice for massive AoE damage! If Wake of Ashes is on cooldown, they simply press Divine Storm for AoE or Templar’s Verdict for single-target boss damage.

When it comes to utility skills, it’s even simpler—there’s basically only one skill to press: Divine Toll, while Ret Paladins still receive numerous other utility buffs automatically!

What’s even more ridiculous is their major cooldown ability has only a 30-second cooldown, whereas my DK’s major cooldowns require 1.5 minutes to recharge.

What does this lead to? In Mythic+ dungeons, when dealing with a large pack of mobs, even after I manage to correctly press all 8 skills in the right order, without making any positioning mistakes, the mobs are already dead, wiped out by the Ret Paladin with their massive DPS!

This severely impacts my experience as an Unholy DK. Due to the complexity of my rotation, I have to spend significantly more time and effort learning and practicing, but when grouped with a Ret Paladin, the result is nothing but frustration.

Reason 2:
Looking at data from major statistics websites, as well as my in-game experience, the number of Ret Paladin players has skyrocketed—they are everywhere now!

This makes me feel like WoW has lost its sense of class diversity because the balance between classes is so poorly done !!

Are Blizzard’s class designers even working? Their jobs seem too easy—are they just coasting through the days?

Why don’t they just delete all other classes and make Ret paladin the only class available ?

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sigh

In the immortal words of the Joker: “And here we go…” :roll_eyes:

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As someone who mained unholy for years before playing ret to play something different the stupid here hurts me. Unholy has a cd based opener then you’re just refreshing diseases with a mid fight rotation that is no more complex than ret. Unless you consider RP dumping complex.

Also, a udk that just unga bungas a boss: good dk. A ret that just unga bungas a boss and ignores all their utility: bad ret. I have more keybinds and macros and builds and WAs for my ret over my unholy dk easily. Because the complexity of the class comes from the fact that I can basically rescue a fight going south with sacs, bubbles and heals. You press your ams or amz and sometimes dg something.

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Show me which boss they overperform everyone.

Then if they are soo good in M+ why are the top pushing team don’t use them?
Why isn’t it the top DPS priority to push keys?

You don’t nerf specs that are mid, freaking clown take :clown_face: :clown_face: :rofl: :rofl:

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Sounds to me like the solution to your woes is to play ret!

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Yeah, he has a ret paladin hate post in the general forum under his main.

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Lmfao haters coming to forums thinking blizz reads these.

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Utilities are the reason why they are not brought to top keys…

But doesn’t necessarily mean that they are not busted in terms of DPS and having dps cooldown every single pull big or small…

But it’s a give and take, so yeah…

Enhancement is getting about 8% nerf but they have all the utilities and stops in the game, even with that 8% nerf most probably they will still be brought into higher keys…

Ret has high dps but 0 utilities besides Sac, BoP, Bubble, AoE disorient, hammer and poison dispells so it’s fair… right?

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HAHAHAHAa

Where are they overperforming all other classes?

No one seems able to answer this…
Show me logs, that shows that on average Ret is significantly ahead EVERYONE else…

It doesn’t exist, cause its not busted…
It’s not up for debate, logs exists…

It’s not a matter of opinion, they aren’t the top dogs, however hard you wish they were to justify poopin on it.

3 post count lvl 31 trolls…

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This toolbox doesn’t understand what utility is. Read the other thread it’s hilarious. He does give me hope though that if HE can get to 2600 io then I just need a good group.

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Stopped reading after this.

Execution sentence is single target. Learn ret before you cry for nerfs.

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yeah , and BUFF RET PVP
RET is worst Spec in PVP

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No.

This is not how balance works.

Classes aren’t nerfed or buffed based on the perceived difficulty of the spec. And even if a spec was objectively more difficult to play that doesn’t mean it should be stronger than everyone.

You’re playing a spec because you like it, that’s the reward, if you feel that your spec should be at the top considerably because “it’s the most difficult” guess what? No.

Also you picked a spec with a notoriously long opener, what about other specs that don’t have such long openers?

This discussion is complete and utter bs.

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But ret paladin is a mere B tier in pvp bro. So you want it C tier ? Then what ? You want them all to reroll to prot ? That’s a good way to kill PvP.

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Technically this is the opener (somewhat) in M+ as well.
(I prefer to just judgement - ES - Wake and HoL - DT and then get into the rotation)

We don’t use FR because it’s not really that much stronger than ES overall and on the other side, the way we’re tuned, ES is the only way to deal priority damage and it holds our ST together.

So in a pack, you use ES on the biggest mob.

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I honestly don’t get the math on that.

The majority of our fights in dungeons is trash, sometimes A LOT of trash depending on the pull. That extra 15% damage on mobs is a lot of damage to leave on the table in favor of single target with ES. Not to mention bosses will take an additional 30% damage from HoL with FR.

I don’t see the logic behind it.

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Sim it, you’ll see.

For me, 5 target patchwerk over 5 min FR is a 0.3% increase in damage over ES.
It’s 0.7% on 8 targets…

But it’s a 6% loss on ST…

If you use dungeon slice, it’s a 2.3% loss to take FR.

10s have both Tyran and Fortified, I can’t afford to take that trade.

As for the reasons why, take your pick.

We play RG with crusade, even if you were to Wake before using FR, you’d still only amp it by 3% damage…

Compared to previously where you use 1min AW and amped it by 20%.

Then ES is a 30sec CD, whilst FR is 1 min.

The spender amp isn’t that as impactful when soo much of our damage has been transfered to the hero powers and to builders.

FR doesn’t amp Empyrean Hammers or BoJ, ES, even if it’s only on 1 target, does.

FR needs to hit stronger, it should be the clear winner in AoE and it’s not.

That or the ST amp needs to be bumbed up significantly so that it’s similar to ES in single target.

Personally I’d prefer they just make it hit harder as it would re-emphasize that it’s the better AoE pick and would also slightly help it’s ST while not being better than ES still.

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Interesting. This I didn’t know.

I assumed that since EH is Holy Damage that FR affected them.

This is good to know.

This was my (erroneous) assumption.

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FR states that it amps “holy power” abilities.

You should read that as spenders.

So HoL, FV and DS (and their variations), that’s it.

It doesn’t amp anything else.

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See, this is where I made my mistake…

For FR, it specifically states: “30% increased damage from your single target Holy Power abilities.”

Very specific and straight forward.

But then it next states: “And 15% increased damage from OTHER Holy Power abilities.” I just naturally assumed that since EH is Holy, that FR affected them.

Silly me, Trix are for kids.

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