from what i know, a hybrid is a class that has a mix of healer/dps and or tank spec, in the past, there used to be a hybrid tax where hybrid dps would be doing less dps compared to a pure dps class like mage hunter rogue warlock
Did you watch any of the AWC tournament today? at one point, the casters were making jokes because even the mages were outhealing the spriests.
lol ofc the 25% is a number i just invented, but its way better than what ive seen from other people wanting a 50% nerf…
could i do the math and come up with a better number yes, will i do it just for a post? nope
jsut take it slow… 25% isnt that big of a deal specially since they are dps not a healer
The sucky thing about WOG is that it needs to crit to be a huge pog omega heal and that crit truly only comes via wings which sucks, we have like 5-6% crit otherwise. Non-crit WOG’s heal for pitiful amounts for the 3 holy power used.
ret needs a 50% though.
any way dks already have they healing nerfed …
but id consider a hybrid (nowadays) any class that can off heal
TBH, I feel the better answer to fixing ret would simply just removing the extreme boost to damage and healing from wings itself and putting it throughout the spec w/o wings. RN wings is our omega crutch due to being forced vers/haste or vers/mast
it’s not the value
i’m making fun of how dumb “mmmyep blanket” was and how dumb you were for deciding that was genuinely worth posting
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It’s tricky because you could obviously slam rets, enhance, etc. You could hit all hybrid offhealing and triune for good measure too since it’s essentially self-WoG on cast. But then you’d just have TSG or walking dead, or splay take over and have everyone complain about that 
Why is everyone complaining about hybrid healing when the scoreboard after every match showed mages with 500k healing (shields) too?
because people hate rets.
tbh, ret’s healing is only super omega crazy like that WHEN it crits during wings windows. if it doesn’t crit, it does pitiful amounts.
But overall ofc, I might be a bit biased. I personally just hate being forced into only being ‘such a god’ during wings windows. Back during WOTLK/CATA ret’s could heal sure, and heal well but it was all casted and we got crit/haste while getting resil to make it so we did do dmg outside of wings.
i bet that being a good healer during wings only must suck.
I am all in for a rework as long as it also brings holy in line with the other s tier healers.
i would love this 100% , any pure dps class will always lose to hybrid class . Lets get blizzard to do this =)
Sure every class can potentially be globaled but it is much easier to do it to a Ret Paladin compared to most classes. Ret Paladins cannot easily disengage from fights and have very limited defensive abilities outside of Divine Shield which is on a very long cooldown and is pretty easy to force. There is a reason why Ret Paladins are forced to use a Prot Legendary to survive in these fights.
Like I said earlier, ultimately what they need is a complete class redesign. The spec as it currently is, is impossible to balance. They’re either gonna be a joke or they’re gonna be incredibly powerful.
The problem with ret right now is overtuned wog from Healing Hands is what is holding the spec together.
You can do whatever you can to reduce the frequency (cd, mana cost) or potency (healing hands) of wog. But you’ll need to give it a def cd instead of high healing.
Like Divine Protection or Cata Sacred Shield. Because yes its true you can 10-100 with wog, but its also true that you 100-0 as ret because it has no damage migitation outside of Shield of Vengeance. And it’s a flat 9k absorb so it pop really quickly.
Ret having divine protection instead of massive wog would be much healthier for the game
We’ve had this same problem for so long and even the Ret / Paladin community are asking for this change. We dont WANT to be this high burst high healing class because its so hard to balance us.
Ret has:
High Burst Damage
High Burst Healing
Strong Support Utility from Blessings
Strong / Big CD’s.
Ret doesnt have:
Mobility
Passive damage reduction
Proper defensives outside a 5 minute 8 sec immunity bubble that can be shattered/dispelled.
Sustained dps
An MS ability
Low CC’s
Weak against casters
The issue is people are upset about WoG Healing but dont realize that the lack of Mobility and passive defensives make us squishy and the healing is suppose to balance that.
Funny how the most OP class is still the prio kill target.
Theres a reason Rets didnt win AWC.
I feel like there’s 2 options available that preserve WoG as being a potent offheal but curb it a little bit.
1 - For ret specifically the ability has a cooldown
or
2 - For ret specifically, WoG costs mana.
IMO the burst healing is fine, and not hugely out of line with what other classes can do, it’s the resource free nature of it, that allows them to do it all game long, that’s problematic.
Absolutely agreed. The current design of Ret makes them incredibly strong against bad players but good players can easily play around Ret’s weaknesses. Now Ret is still a strong spec, but they don’t seem to be as strong once you know how to exploit their weaknesses.
The fact that players in the AWC were forced to wear a protection legendary says a lot about their defensive ability.