Requiring "score" to use valor upgrades = poor system

Lots and lots and lots of excuses brah
Just git gud dude

Loot is a means to an end. S4 is boring cause lul rehashed raid content.

If you can’t comprehend that players play for different reasons that I can only guess you have some sort of ABI.

I don’t know what brought you here but I can only wish you luck on your journey to self-improvement.

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Git gud.

People play for different reasons, they also have access to different items as a result.

Just git gud dude, i promise once you do you will stop whining on the forum, i believe in you dude

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Outside of Raiding and M+ players get dirt in terms of gear.

Not exactly conductive to a healthy experience.

So git gud dude and get loot

How is giving everyone everything a healthy experience?

I think as soon as you log in, you should receive EVERY ITEM in wow, inside your mailbox.

There’s a difference between giving players something and having a system in place for them to earn it.

As it stands Ion only wants Raiding to be that system as the long-term game plan.

M+15 is not raiding for one lol neither is m+20.

And how likely is your average joe going to able to do M15+ or 20+?

Why does the average joe need m+15 or m+20?

The ones that git gud

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They play the game to…or used to anyway.

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So? you don’t need to achieve the pinnacle of WOW in order to enjoy the game. Hell, I only killed the end boss back in Cataclysm (after several rounds of nerfs.) Just forget Emerald Nightmare ever existed.

Except the problem is the pinnacle of WoW is all there is to do.

Which comes with its own host of problems…like PvP being a joke and an ever increasing gear gap in PvE.

The one case where you should being that it is a BIS item that you just can’t get to drop after running the instance it drops from 15 times on +15 and above… and then after spending the thousands of valor to bring it from 1/12 to 12/12, you get it in the weekly vault.

If its really all there is to do why are you still playing? Git gud?

My presence on this forum must really irritate you to keep trying with that same angle.

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m+ didn’t even EXIST in ancient times. So no, it’s not “all there is to do.”