You have spoken the forbidden words.
If it was 100% would this make you happy ? Or do you just hate gdkp? Go ahead and say it bro.
I feel like you and the andys want to just control the way people play tbh.
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Look at the prices for something like Fiery War Axe and lemme know if you really wanna keep playing dumb.
You realize that yes gold selling still exists but itâs easier to catch right?? Gdkp was an easy way to funnel all that bought gold with no way to catch them. They explained that in one of their posts. Itâs to help curb and catch gold buyers.
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When I read this wall of text, all that I see is that you want a raid currency like badges of justice with items you can buy or sell on the AH for gold.
And not GDKP.
If you need reasons to raid, I think you just donât enjoy the people you raid with enough, because the point is to gear your raid and not only yourself.
I donât care if GDKPs are in or out of the game tbh, I donât pug and I did GDKP only to pay for my epic mounts in classic, but itâs also a good pointer that the loot system should be changed in WOW.
So that the non-guild loot should be personal loot, should only drop on the last boss of the instance, and you should get a gold reward if you didnât win anything. Not sure how this could be implemented, but there is surely a way to bypass the gold buyers and end up with the same result.
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Personal loot is fine, we need something more PUG friendly.
Wrong. Others game activity do not because they are statical, the moutn price wont increase nor repairs.
GDKPS inflates the whole economy because of biding on BiS.
Btw needless to say but if they wanted BoP items to be sold they would make them BoE.
The issue is simple GDKPs affect players whom take no part on it, negatively because they need to keep their gold inflow higher and higher whitout resorting to RMT which any sane person biding in gdkps is gonna do.
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yes back in classic back in 2020, not the husk of a game that degenerates cling onto going MY VANILLA NOOOOOOOO i WONâT GO. I played when it was current content, on what server I forget. I think it was Stalag though, or something like that.
Oh and I am sure some of the groups that ran GDKPs had issues with RMT, I simply know for a fact my group didnât because it was 90% the same people week after week and the other 10% were vouched for being clean un-shady. In my group I had people that sold ports all day while they worked from home, one guy was the servers DM buff seller who had long lines all the time he was selling DM buffs, and then there were the hustlers like me who scraped gold together by endless farming of righteous orbs or leather, or whatever I felt like farming that week
Thing was we all saw each other out actually doing stuff to earn gold to use in GDKPs, so we knew everybody was legit earning what they brought.
Now I am sure in the stagnation that has followed since the rest of the classic community has moved onto Wrath while the nudniks who stick it out on Era servers keep accumulating gold with no real gold dumps. No wonder your GDKPs have spiraled out of control, the servers are stagnant of content.
However things werenât like that 4-5 years ago when I did them.
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I completely disagree with you, but have to thank you first for presenting a thoughtful, reasonable argument. Respect.
Bidding, on BiS, and all other items, has been ingrained in the fabric of WoW since launch, long before the first GDKPs were run. AH prices for BiS BOEâs, crafting items, consumables, etc have always been a fluctuating, non-statistical incentive to unscrupulous players to buy gold. The solution is not to ban the Auction house, its to enforce the rules on RMT.
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#BringGDKPBack
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These are good questions. Again, props to the few folks here that donât support GDKPs and are laying out thoughtful arguments instead of posting âSorry swiperâ or something else.
GDKPers are not against using MS>OS, SR runs, or any other type of runs. In fact they strongly support player agency in choosing runs with loot systems they favor. No one is saying, âbring back GDKP and ban MS>OSâ - GDKP supporters just want the freedom to choose a loot system they favor.
As for the reasons GDKP supporters prefer GDKP over MS>OS or SR. There are many, but a few key ones for me are:
- Everyone gets something out of the raid. No one leaves empty handed. MS>OS or SR this will happen often, especially as you reach the point where you only need a few more items from a raid.
- Players that have everything they need from a run are still incented to join raids. You then have more geared and experience players helping those that need gear.
- The Auction - Something most donât mention, but I do. I really LIKE the auction! At the end of each raid, bids are flying up and up, people are chatting on disc and encouraging bidders, celebrating increased pots, congratulating the winner. Its adds a completely new, fun, interesting element to the end of every raid. Its not for everyone for sure, but if people enjoy it, they should be allowed to.
And I get it, many people say you should just run raids helping others out of love of the game, and we certainly do that in guilds, but once youâre raiding on alts, outside of guild runs, GDKPs are the best mechanism to keep raids available and successful.
I always go back to my key point. The undeniable fact is that GDKPs (along with the auction house and other in-game transactions) incentivize gold buying, which increases bots and damages the player experience for everyone. The solution is not to ban the incentives to RMT, its to enforce the ban on RMT and botting.
Cheers.
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Um no please donât. Boting has dropped dramaticly and the economy as a hole has done better with out gdkp
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GDKPs were happening in BC and Wrath before the tokens were out. Donât pretend that GDKP sprung up around the time tokens were introduced as we both know that is not true. Tokens are far different in the idea that gold isnât generated and sold for money, the token is bought which costs gold. Itâs hardly different from selling any other item on the AH, the only difference is you paid real money for the token. Itâs at least regulated gold buying and completely controlled in real-time by supply/demand.
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Iâll hit your point by point, I get error messages when I try to break a post down sometimes so it is what it is:
- You always get something out of a raid no matter what. Thereâs still gold/items that drop, far less than a GDKP, but you still make some money if you loot everything. I do think Blizz should do what they did in later raids and actually make raiding somewhat profitable in itself. Always was nice to down a few bosses and end up with a handful of gold.
- The incentive to raid shouldnât need to be monetized. It should be a social interaction. If it requires you to get paid to go hang out with people, thatâs really sad. That said, I think the bigger question here is, other than gold, what can be added to incentive people to raid that doesnât encourage gold buying? My thought would be badges that you can buy gear like they have done, rep rewards where the majority of rep past a point only comes from bosses, or adding in a vendor who buys said badges from you. The latter being rewards of gold for downing the bosses.
- This is the part I find the most cringe. The encouragement of bidding always seems so fake and slimy for the couple that I have ever done. I donât know that gambling should be outright encouraged like that either.
They do enforce RMT bans. This is the part that seems so weird by the GDKP crowd. You guys act like Blizzard is just waiving the finger saying âdonât you dareâ when they actively ban accounts for it. GDKPs should have the entire raid banned if any gold was found to be illicit. This would be the biggest way to cut down on it as people who are found to be known gold buyers would be shunned. Repeat offenders would get ousted by the server community.
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Maybe it is time they make 2 servers. One is for people that want to buy gold, RMT, bots, and GDKP;
The other server will permanent ban off the server anyone involved on that server in any way with GDKP, RMT, bots, and buy gold.
Then maybe people will be happier and Bliz can see where the chips really fall.
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Bring back GDKP, or sth more PUG friendly.
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Feels natural for BoE prices to go up because swipers canât buy as much gear in raids anymore.
Either way, GDKPs are unhealthy for a game like this.
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People who want GDKP do not want bots, or RMT either.
We want Blizzard to do their job and ban people found participating in RMT, Ban bots and ban holding accounts. Not take the lazy way out (which is ineffective as we have seen) and ban GDKP.
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Heck no. The lack of GDKP has had a noticeable effect on the economy. BoE epics are going for hundreds less than they have been.
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that is because we are at the end of a phase, prices drop over time as people get better gear and the market for BoEs becomes smaller and smaller.