So Im tanking a random timewalking and I go to the first boss, the 3 dps bro’s decide they want to skip, fine the healer and I are half way through killing the first boss - lethtendris and I get the loading screen and a 30 minute debuff. I said nothing to them, I did nothing except play the dungeon. This is griefing how do I report these toxic people?
It’s not griefing to kick a player from a group finder activity. Players do not even need a reason to initiate a kick, and it is up to group on whether they wish to keep another in the group.
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Then how would you define that behavior? Rude, in polite, TOXIC - kick me fine - why did I get the 30 minute debuff for literately following the dung guide with the first boss listed as a kill target?
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To be frank, there isn’t anything to report or defined here. The system in place let groups remove folks from the party if they feel they’re not working well. The reason is a moot point - the debuff doesn’t care for why you was removed, just there you was gone. And it’s there because folks was wanting to be kicked to avoid the dungeon debuff.
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I might use those words*, but one word I couldn’t use would be “reportable” because it isn’t.
*Although I would choose to spell “impolite” correctly
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You can’t. The group can initiate a vote-kick for little to no reason at all. If the groups agree with the kick, then you’ll be removed. How ever, the group didn’t want to waste time, and by the sounds of it, you wanted to waste the group time, so they have removed you from the group. Sorry, but nothing can be done?
If you feel that something should change though in relation to this, I would recommend leaving a suggestion in the right location.
Also, I would edit your opening post and remove a certain word at the end. That is bypassing the language filter and is against the Forum Code of Conduct
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The deserter penalty was added to being kicked, because a long time ago tanks would use getting kicked to avoid dungeons they did not like at the time, considering then and now, tanks and sometimes healers have faster queues, almost instant for tanks.
The deserter debuff was then increased to leaving before the dungeon was completed, including being kicked, recently.
My suggestion is you want to do extra content in a dungeon beyond what a group wishes, to do so with a group of your own choosing.
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Majority rules. No one is forced to keep a player in their group that they don’t want. The reason why they don’t want you is irrelevant. The majority decided to kick you, so you’re kicked.
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Got it. Penalized for playing the game as intended because I was grouped with a 3 person team intent on completing by skipping all content in said dung. Seems like a fair and equitable system that’s been developed. Honestly, wouldn’t care if I didnt get deserter, bad call to implement that system. I wont tank with randos going forward lesson learned. Good luck with that tank and healer shortage!
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If you want a full, full clear, then it might be your intent.
However, I discovered when I did TW recently that I only needed to do the first and last boss. When I inspected the objectives tab I even saw that all other bosses were marked as “Bonus Objectives” e.g. initially confused by why my tank was rushing past bosses they were actually saving a megahugeload of time by doing so.
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No, you had your OWN intentions, and as you said:
That’s THEIR intention. Your desires did not line up with the majority’s desires, and they didn’t want to deal with you going against their wishes.
Well, yes. It’s certainly annoying to someone who got kicked, but believe me, it was much worse when there was no penalty for being kicked. Tanks (and even healers) would hold groups hostage, usually in a toxic way, just to be kicked instead of leaving.
As always, you can thank other players for the “unfair” system that we have. If you have any suggestions on how it can be improved (and just saying “don’t have a debuff” is not improving it), then you’ll want to leave your thoughts in the Dungeons, Raid, & Scenario Forum.
But just to be clear, this system has been in place since Wrath/Cata, and there has never been any ideas on how to make it better. If you are the ONE person out of millions to be able to make it happen, then please leave the feedback.
That’s certainly a choice you can make.
Ha ha. You’re not that important. Somehow, we’ll manage to get by without you in the RDF ecosystem.
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If you want to do a whole dungeon, group up with 4 other people that also want to do that, and go to town. You don’t get to tell 4 other people how they should do the dungeon.
Anyway, as far as reporting, if someone said something toxic, that can be reported. But you cannot report for kicking, because Blizzard has stated that by their definition (which is the only one that matters), abuse is impossible because anyone can be kicked for any reason or no reason. They aren’t going to force people to play with someone they don’t want to, so this “behavior” cannot be reported. And if you tried to report it by manually making a ticket, you would get a template back explaining this and it would not be investigated.
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Believe if you have 3 of the 5 in the group your safe, As it takes 3 out of the 5 to kick someone. So the two randoms can not kick anyone.
Unless the system was changed again, a group of 3 that queued together should need the 4th to vote yes in order to kick the 5th.
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They may have felt your killing extra mobs to be griefing them. While people CAN kick for any reason, it seems in this case, they felt they had a reason. You simply disagree with it. It stands tho, that the majority of the group didn’t want to play with you. Bliz isn’t going to force someone to play with someone against their will, so they go with the logical choice, whatever the majority wants. If the majority of your group wanted to kill all of the extra stuff, they wouldn’t have kicked you.
Yes one of those 3 queing together can not be kicked if it takes 4 to kick.
No one been toxic weve seen this thread time and time again and the system is working aprorpriately could there be room for improvement absolutely but im glad theres penalties back in the day which has been said theres been too many salty players that would hold the group hostage because they dont get there way actions have consequences.
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I hate to tell you this, but this is how PUGs have always been and how the group finder has always been. It is up to people to learn the dungeon on their own time before wasting the time of a group. If the group feels their time is being wasted, they kick. Maybe not nice to do, but perfectly legit within the rules. People have never really talked in public groups. They just “go go go”.
The only place that is safe to learn a dungeon and expect communication is with people who are your friends. They will help you hopefully. Now, we also have the option to use Follower Dungeons to learn the pulls, layout, etc. With that + guides on YouTube or Wowhead people can get pretty familiar with the dungeon before offering their services to the public as a tank, healer, or DPS.
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You mean like:
Yes, that would be an assumption. “The issue I’m mad about is exactly why x, y, z is happening!”
Responding to you is not “condescending”. Telling you something you don’t want to hear isn’t either.
If you feel that there should be a change to the Vote to Kick feature, then the General forums or the Dungeons and Raids forum would be more appropriate.
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No, that is simply your opinion. Best of luck with your suggestion.
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