Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
if it’s any consolation OP i agree with you, i never trash talk myself but id never report someone for doing it that just seems so pathetic–maybe i’d think it was reasonable if they wouldn’t stop whispering you. although i’d be surprised if there was a lot of people that immediately press the report button if someone says something negative that’s a rare level of pathetic.
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You’re an awesome person, aren’t you?
ITT: people mad because they’re facing consequence of their language to others and being upset for those people taking the logical step of reporting toxic players with toxic traits. Don’t be rude and you wont be actioned, requires some level of empathy that is shockingly non-existent in this game or this thread.
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Toxicity is difficult to define… even at the best of times.
But you’re right. We should all feel comfortable speaking up about toxicity.
What blizzard considers toxic is pretty well laid out and the only real definitions that matter while playing this game.
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Right… But if we’re being honest, I’m positive that behavior which could be considered toxic extends well beyond the boundary Blizzard sets for what’s punishable in terms of in-game behavior.
I mean, I think back to what I had to put up with at 60 cap and most of what I’ve seen throughout TBCC has been tame by comparison.
Still made champ though. 
I mainly mean its cut and dry due to in game discussion being under blizzard purview and the ToS being their rubric.
outside of the game it could be more shades of grey but its still a pretty easy concept to not be toxic and think before you speak and consider how it could make another person feel.
I feel like LFD and Mcconnel are the same person
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“Players get to moderate themselves”
“Dystopian”
Ma’m, players have been deciding the rules since forever. In fact, this whole report system isn’t new. It just sounds like they’re stepping up enforcement. I remember talking a bit of smack in BGs and getting scolded by a GM for it. …I forget the details honestly, but it was most likely the better part of a decade ago.
Them’s the bricks. Unless you’re getting falsely reported you don’t have any business calling this dystopian.
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well kurathis the truth is i think most people would think it is pathetic if your first reaction to “you suck” is to report them for harassment, and that’s fine. I doubt it would get any blizzard response anyways unless it is purely automatic process
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That’s not constructive feedback either, that’s just being nice and offering help
You’re not providing any feedback by asking them if they want feedback.
“You shouldn’t stand in the fire, fire is bad.” Is what constructive feedback is.
Don’t conflate Positive/Neutral/Negative with Constructive.
Constructive feedback doesn’t have to be positive, it can be vile and negative and still be considered constructive. Even something as toxic as “God you’re stupid, stop standing in fire you idiot.”
While it’s very negative, and quite sociopathic if you ask me, it’s still aimed at improving the behavior that needs improvement, in this case, the standing in fire behavior.
You offer that first as a lead in. Some people do not like feedback at all so if you offer a neutral stance at first then the rest of the convo it can be fine.
I’m not going to say:
I would say something like:
It’s all situation based too. I get where you’re coming from, but the methods ive used I’ve very very rarely got any negative push back. Only time i did was the person was already in a bad mood.
Being nice is good.
I personally just rather skip the asking part when it’s something very obvious and a repeated behavior I’ve witnessed throughout the dungeon/raid, that’s the raid leader in me speaking, and I obviously try to keep it as neutral/positive and civilized as possible.
Unsolicited advices may feel bad for those receiving it, but they are the best way to ensure growth. Feelings tend to get in the way of everything and by disregarding the feelings in the moment, it gets the message across. It’s just a matter of not coming off as an ahole so that the bridges can be mended after the fact if someone took it too personal.
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Yes, dystopian is a very apt description. Back when there were GMs there always needed to be some human making a final decision as to whether a rule was broken or not. With the current system it is just a vote of unpopularity for any reason at all. The rules that Blizzard has given us aren’t really rules at all because there is no central authority that enforces them. You only get suspended when enough other players determine they don’t like what you are doing. In real life this basically equates to witch hunting except with modern automatic algorithms. Pretty sure there has been a black mirror episode about this kind of thing. Pretty much the definition of dystopian.
Understandable and I’m going from the perspective of mainly pugging. If i do have to say something quick it’s a statement to the whole party then a whisper too if need be.
/p “Don’t forget about the fire! Don’t stand in it! You can see it beforehand!”
Then possibly
/whisper “Hey i saw you were having issues with the fire. I would suggest watching for the place it will be.”
If they get mad
“It wasn’t an attack towards you. I do apologize if it appeared that way. I had noticed you were having issues with a spot, and was reaching out with advice.”
I type quick on the pc so i can type that out np.
But something like that.
If players being empowered to do something about you is “dystopian”, well… That says more about you than the system.
If you can’t allege that you were banned for false reasons, you have nothing to complain about.
Your opinion here is also quite dystopian. Just because you don’t personally experience a problem doesn’t means that it doesn’t exist. I’ve also never been banned, but I can see a messed up system for what it is.
That’s like seeing that black people get incarcerated for longer than white people and for lesser offenses and saying “Well, I’ve never broken the law so everything is fine”.
Your sophistry is duly noted.
Unless you are willing to substantiate that people are getting banned when they did nothing to warrant action being taken, do not expect any sympathy.
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This happens every single day across every Blizzard game that implements this ridiculous system. In a game like Overwatch people will report people for nothing every time a game is lost because obviously someone is to blame. Must have been gameplay sabotage. How else could someone possibly lose in a game where someone is guaranteed to lose.
In WoW people will report you for the most insignificant slight against you. A GM would never uphold such suspensions, but today even appeals are mostly automated. They will quote back to empty reports with no verification done as reasons for why the ban is going to be upheld.
Just because you are ignorant of this problem doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
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