And really, now that I think about it, this is really the issue, isn’t it? Peak dps at about 2 minutes into the fight?
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For clarity, I wasn’t saying Nyelle was new to me, I have never heard class fantasy tied to seeing Voidforms duration before.
That argument is new to me, and I want to make sure I understand it correctly.
You’re asking the wrong question “what do you like about shadow?” is a subjective question. I say i like shadow because i get to use PWS and that would be a valid answer tot he question.
you are playing into the narrative they want to push which is VF issues is an issue of preference which then will just make them say reroll.
A better question is “Explain how VF works in all content of WoW”
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You nailed it, Nyelle. It is crazy! I was VERY surprised when I put a simple post about enjoying Voidform and then I suddenly got jumped like I was in a dark city alley at 3:00 AM.
I have been playing WoW with friends and having a great time for the past month! Very happy. I logged onto the WoW forums today to see if there were interesting posts regarding my class. The forum consensus on Shadow Priest is negative. Negative is fine. For example, I really don’t like Resto Druid!
The difference is that I don’t go to the Resto Druid forum, look for a post where somebody is saying that they are happy with Resto and then tear them apart. That is what is happening here. Sad. Luckily, this is only a portion of the forum posters. Many of them simply ask “Why do you feel X?” or provide their own evidence to the contrary, without being huge jerks.
This forum experiment was a bust for me. I will go back to focusing on getting WoW news from Wowhead and the official Blizzard World of Warcraft news site! More info, less hate.
confirmed troll, again you came to a thread called “Remove Voidform”. Aren’t you tired of playing the victim…you so bad at it and its a bit cringy.
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she didnt really nail it at all. voidform doesnt work. nyelle is probably the only decent shadow priest who enjoys it. yes shadow priests are upset. im not trying to justify their actions but at the same time blizzard has been given plenty of feedback as to why it doesnt work for 4 years.
keep in mind for people like yourself who started playing shadow like a week ago or nyelle who probably started in legion, a lot of us have been playing shadow since vanilla. of course classes have tweaks every expansion but no other spec has had such a drastic change in the way the class plays. our class was essentially deleted and replaced with something completely different. that doesnt feel good as a player.
you can try to argue that its unique and cool all you want but the dwindling number of shadow priests really says it all. the vast majority dont enjoy it.
voidform only works well in raids. and not even in the majority of the raid. maybe 1-2 encounters in a tier. outside of that its terrible in open world, its terrible in pvp, its terrible in dungeons. the vast majority of the game its a useless system. it has to go.
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Yup!
What I call ‘Insanity decay acceleration’ is also a form of long ramp, which gear and borrowed power eventually overcome. It gets less attention than Mass Hysteria, Voidform Haste, or Chorus of Insanity - but it’s part of the problem too.
If Insanity decay doesn’t accelerate, then you end up in a Breath of Sindragosa problem - where you can just maintain it forever eventually. So that’s not a good direction either. The only cure is to give Voidform a fixed duration.
I would be interested to hear if maybe Nyelle just doesn’t think 20 seconds in Voidform is long enough, and maybe that’s the problem?
That’s easily solved though, just change the Insanity drain rate from:
Current: Duration (seconds) = Insanity / 5
Longer: Duration (seconds) = Insanity / 4
Then a 60 Insanity Voidform with LotV would last 15 seconds, up from 12. A 100 Insanity Voidform would last 25 seconds.
You could also switch to a Insanity / 3 ratio, then it’s between 20 seconds and 33 seconds respectively.
Bear in mind though, whatever the fixed duration, community preference is still going to be to stay in Voidform as long as possible. So the focus will become, instead of maintain a single Voidform longer, instead about getting into Voidforms faster.
We will want talents and borrowed power systems that get us back into Voidform quickly - and that’s MUCH easier to balance than the ‘long ramp’ mechanics: Mass Hysteria, Voidform Haste, Chorus of Insanity, Lingering Insanity, Auspicious Spirits, Insanity Decay Acceleration.
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#removevoidform
Give us back Shadow Orbs and call it “Void Orbs”
STONKS
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I have 1 question: If the forum consensus, DPS numbers and Shadow Priest representation among the player base all agree with you… why did the developers choose to keep voidform for Shadowlands? That cannot be an accident. They have access to all the same information that you have and more.
it wouldnt be the first time blizzard ignored feedback. theyre known for being arrogant and stubborn when it comes to class design. priests arnt the first class to get this treatment. granted no other class has been completely destroyed as bad as priests have, theyve had similar treatment.
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It’s always fun to see the “I can read developer’s minds” argument made. I can do it too. Druids were unplayable because they didn’t have enough form customization options.
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That is crazy. I find Shadow Priest to be lots of fun right now but I would imagine that making money is Blizzard’s first priority.
Is it that Blizzard thinks that people won’t unsub if they are here complaining on the forum? “Safe to ignore” type of deal. There is no way that Blizzard would do something to make them lose money, right? If anything, I would think that Blizzard would follow the crowd to the game’s detriment and always kowtow to them to get more money.
But other classes are getting attention. Something else is going on here. There is a method to the madness.
you know that “the silence majority” means nothing here when until now there are 4 clowns on the forums saying they love voidform… 5 with you. When a lot more (those that posted on the forum, alpha forum and the ones that give a lot of likes) are against the ramp up mechanic nightmare that is voidform because it is impossible to balance and doesn’t work on most wow content (stated by blizzard). right?
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they know they have a passionate/loyal playerbase. so losing money isnt a massive concern for them. if it was, BFA would have never happened the way it did in the first place.
you must be new to wow. its pretty clear. they dont know how to fix it because none of the devs know how shadow works, so theyll just ignore it because theyd rather think they had a cool idea rather than something practical. they caused their own problem. shadow priests with orbs was one of the best designed specs they ever had. instead of just changing the theme they deleted the class and replaced it and now have no idea how to make it work.
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GOOD QUESTION!
I got more…
Why did they make another bunk version of S2M that anyone with an hour of testing it would see how awful and totally useless it is where you cant even find a place in the entire game that it could be useful on.
Why did they make Void Bolt castable while casting Mind Flay? Not knowing that after 4 year, Shadow’s only rotational movement ability is via Void Bolt which then forces you to turret in order to achieve max DPS (because that’s how balancing and numbers will play towards because its based on “potential and not realistic” situations. Not to mention the fact that you would have to clip Mind Flay even more which is just deafening to say the least.
Why did they introduce a form of Devouring Plague that competes with Void Form yet has no additional interaction with the spec and thus forces you to play 2 specs at different times that feels awkward and doesn’t even achieve the goal/problem they set forth to solve.
The reality is, blizzard has no idea how to make Void Form / Insanity work without it becoming OP. But they don’t have the “time” to fix it by doing a complete overhaul of the spec (as was eluted to in the blue post) and so they just threw us some garbage form of Devouring Plague in hopes to quell the masses.
Its down right pathetic and a total insult to our intelligence. They claim to be listening to feedback but every single change they add to the spec just makes it worse.
So your right, its not an “accident” because its clear to see by all that blizzard are completely and totally inept when it comes to “fixing” Shadow and I say “fixing” because they have at least seen that it needs fixing, but they cant do it in the timeline and resources available which is just utterly preposterous given that they have 4 years work of feedback from all sources detailing out the issues that plague the spec.
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My understanding is that you really like the frantic playstyle of pushing stacks of VF and you want that to feel impactful. The problem is that the class being balanced around a 50 second ramp to peak damage is not a healthy damage pattern for the majority of content in the game. It just serves to make you feel weak when you can’t push to high stacks. A voidform that feels impactful and provides meaningful bonuses for its duration should be short and the ramp to re-enter voidform should also be short.
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the only way voidform works is if they move away from pushing stacks. you either activate voidform at 60 insanity(SHOULD BE BASELINE INSTANT CAST BTW WTF) for x amount of seconds with increased spell damage, haste, crit, whatever then exit voidform. so you have voidform windows.
OR
just make it a cooldown. those are the only scenarios it works.
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They’ve been ignoring our feedback for as long as I can remember. I started playing Spriest in WotLK, when we were brought to raids for utility more than anything. Now that it’s, “bring the player not the class,” there’s no point to bringing a Spriest for anything unless they vastly overgear the encounter, which only makes us on par with other classes.
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Thank you. You explained my viewpoint concisely.
Is there a way for everybody to be happy and also keep Shadow Priest unique?
I think FFXIV has something similar with their Black Mage with Enochian/Umbral/Astral. Once you have a powered-up form, you have do whatever you can to stay in that form as long as possible. Getting distracted for even 1 second and your form (and DPS) can drop. But FFXIV gives you the option to stay in Enochian indefinitely if you are really good.
I may agree with your sentiment but when you start attacking people and positing conspiracy theories I just feel sorry for you.
We’re angry, people who want voidform are angry, people who don’t are angry, blizzard have left shadow to rot in SL regardless of what you wanted to see. Anger can be cathartic, but there’s a point at which it becomes actively detrimental.
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