Remove the timegate on the catalyst

You always have an excuse for everything obviously. You don’t need the gear if you put effort to play. Keep sucking.

Hard for you, apparently. But this thread is a bad faith circular argument so I won’t be engaging anymore with it beyond this and my other post. :dracthyr_lulmao:

mythic plus only drops hero track gear via end of dungeon chests. hero track gear is completely irrelevant by week two moreso now than previous seasons since hero track is 13 ilvl below myth track.

Learn how to read and use critical thinking skills.

Now that raids can drop warbound items after you are already done with the raid by repeating it over and over, it is just as rewarding as M+ is.

Actually more because you can currently get warbound set tokens where M+ dungeon drops currently don’t have set items as far as I know.

M+ drops per dungeon are of a significantly lower item level than vault just like how raids now drop warbound items 1 difficulty lower and can continue to drop them after you’ve already done the boss that week. You can repeat the raid for more drops now, just like a M+ unless they nerf it because of all the people now in 4 sets on multiple alts.

This is true, but to get a full set of mythic raid gear you have to have mythic raids on farm. And you are limited to one set of drops / week.

Alternatively you can run mythic+, get slightly worse ilvl, plus a shot at trinkets that are sometimes superior to raid drops. It’s better to have a slightly worse ilvl than no upgrade at all because you weren’t lucky with drops or rolls on drops. That makes mythic+ equally rewarding for those that want to raid and those that just want to do mythic+.

Let me lay it out for you.

I cannot under any circumstances get my BiS gear from raiding.

I 100% can get every single piece from m+, even sets. Get it now?

i don’t raid because i don’t want my life to revolve around a video game.

What? 3-4 hours team are very common and pugging was never any easier. I can’t take you serious, go play Minecraft or something around more like your skill ceiling. Bye now done wasting my time with a noob.

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You are so wrong it’s not even funny. How many Mythic raiders are clearing it by week 2 and being full geared with Myth track? You also seem to forget that tracks overlap where Hero track ends at 626 and Myth starts at 623.

Even mythic raiders are relying on Vault for weeks because most are not going to clear the raid on Mythic difficulty.

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you are neglecting the fact that everyone is in full hero track gear by the end of week two.

even quicker now that u can infinitely farm delves for bountiful maps and get hero track from that.

hero track is entirely irrelevant.

mythic raiders get four pieces of myth track gear per boss PLUS their great vault.

mythic plus players ONLY get one piece from their vault if they are lucky.

Forgot pvp players don’t exist. I’ll be sitting here waiting until Tuesday to get my 4 set lol

so it will take you at least 4 weeks to get your myth gear assuming you get a tier piece every week.

but they put a cap on dungeon related gear that is three upgrades less than mythic raiding. you will get your best and highest gear doing mythic raids.

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this is why everyone trying to say M+ is way more rewarding than raiding is out of touch and stuck in the past.

If it’s a bug and exploit as some people think maybe you’ll end up being right when they fix it, but it’s perfectly possible that it’s just intended.

Raiding now has personal loot warbound drops that aren’t weekly locked.

“Everyone” is not in full Hero track by the end of week two.

How is it irrelevant when even mythic raiders are not geared out in Myth track by that point? You are so out of touch to reality.

M+ is infinitely farmable with no weekly lockout.
Drops 613 which can be upgraded to 626.
Vault rewards 623 Myth track which can be upgraded to 639.

This isn’t up for debate.

As for tier, we can convert one via Catalyst per week in addition to Great Vault chance and by hitting a certain score/achievement reward.

This is an intellectually dishonest argument because there are only certain specific drops that goes above what M+ players have access to via vault. It’s not every Mythic raid drop.

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With tier being used to expand/enhance specs they should get a charge a week at least. I fail to understand if raiders realize there’s a huge part of the game outside of raid and those players would also like access to tier. I can’t imagine raiders used to love being forced to PVP for their best gear yet i didn’t hear them saying "oh well tough maybe you should pvp :upside_down_face: "

Yet alot of BiS gear cannot be obtained in raid. Every single piece of gear can drop from M+ vault.

Also that argument is disingenuous since the gear your pointing to is either very rare or extremely rare and is the minority of mythic pieces. Not all mythic loot is at that level.

So on average m+ has better rewards. It is also farmable where raids are not. You dont get all 4 drops, in mythic raids most people dont get a single piece for a while.

There is also the fact that many BiS items dont drop from raid and can only be obtained from m+.

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I work 9-10 hours a day. I cook our family meals and have time to help with household chores. I walk the dog, go to the gym. I go out on weekends, whether it’s to watch a movie or meet friends at a bar. I also play my xbox and stream tv shows and movies on some of the 5 nights I don’t play WoW. What is this nonsense about life revolving around a video game just to raid?

You started this thread saying it was unfair that only raids drop tier. There are multiple difficulties that can be cleared in 1-2 nights once most of your raid is within 10 ilvls of the drops.

Then why do you need tier?

Yeah maybe PvP needs a rework. As a consolation you’re not progressing against NPCs, you’re fighting other players - and you’ll all be on the same level without tier until catalyst comes up.

I mean why exactly do yall think they pushed m+ back to mythic raid week?

The answer is easy, because its a better way to gear. The WRF ppl would have spammed them.